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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-03 18:55 [#00888557]
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Ok this story may be a little long but if you could bare with me and maybe add some feedback that would rock.
Once upon a time I (OxygenFad) put a sound card up for sale on ebay. It was a recording soundcard. It sold for $180 US
($250 Canadian). I don't have a paypal account. So I used my friends.
Later on in the week my friend calls me and lets me know that his Pay Pal account has received the money. That night we meet
up and he gives me money. 2 days later (On my birthday actually) my friend calls to inform me that paypal deducted $180 US
from his credit card because the scumfuck I sold the soundcard too used a fraudulent credit card. Now after spending all the
money the day I received it (naturally) am short one midiman 2044 and owe my friend $250.00.
I don't get it. Is this not PayPals fault ??? I wasn't the one that approved the credit card yet I get dinged by the multi
million dollar fuckheads who are paypal. What really got me peeved was the email they sent. TEMPLATE.
Anyway I'm pretty stressed out about all this cause I DON'T HAVE MONEY.
*Get a job!!!yar har har*
The re I said it, anyone have any advice it would be much appreciated. Thanks ! (sorry for the spaces ... notepad)
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-03 18:55 [#00888558]
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This is what I got from Paypal: Dear Georgio Paulin (My friend whos account I was using),
We have conducted a review of a particular payment you have received. In
this instance returning the funds to the sender was determined to be the
appropriate action, and we have completed a reversal of the payment.
The funds from the following transaction have been debited from your
account:
Transaction Date: Sep 5, 2003 05:55:16
Transaction Amount: $180.00
Buyer's Email: saldana_tx@yahoo.com
If you have questions regarding this reversed transaction, please contact
us using the link below:
https://www.paypal.com/wf/f=ap_hist
We appreciate your patience during our investigation.
Thank you,
PayPal Account Review Department
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-10-03 19:07 [#00888566]
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I tried to withdraw some funds from my paypal account into my bank account and that apparently worked on there end, but never showed up in my bank account. Fuckin' GAY Pal cuntz!
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-10-03 19:10 [#00888569]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker
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Yeeah, i wouldn't particularly want to be on the receiving end of paypal
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-10-03 19:13 [#00888573]
Points: 13411 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #00888569
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Yeh, or GAY Pal for that matter! :s
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-03 19:14 [#00888575]
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GayPal !
*has seizer laughing and dies*
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-03 19:15 [#00888576]
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Fuck I dont know what to do : (
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-10-03 19:18 [#00888580]
Points: 13411 Status: Lurker | Followup to oxygenfad: #00888576
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: / poop!
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ftc
from Australia on 2003-10-03 19:23 [#00888588]
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yer i've heard other stories like these.
paypal are fuckin dodgy cunts.
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handoverthecart
on 2003-10-03 19:31 [#00888593]
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well i wouldn't blame it entirely on paypal.. the buyer is actually the "guilty" one, but paypal SHOULD do some sort of check on credit cards. i guess the best thing to do (in the future) would be to wait for some confirmation or something before shipping. have you tried contacting the buyer to see if it was just a mix-up/incorrectly entered credit card number number?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-10-03 20:01 [#00888619]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker | Followup to oxygenfad: #00888575
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that's a seizure i think you mean.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-03 23:02 [#00888698]
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Pay Pal GAVE ME Confirmation. They said everything was A O K. Those fucker S!
(mappa your right lol)
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-10-03 23:05 [#00888700]
Points: 14294 Status: Lurker
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There's probably something in that 'user end liscence agreement' or whatever you click the 'I agree to the terms' checkbox that makes it so you can't do shit about the whole problem. Too bad.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-10-03 23:46 [#00888719]
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PayPal is an ebay company, innit?
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-10-03 23:59 [#00888731]
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I told all of you, I told you, god damnit, do not use that service for ANYTHING.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-10-04 00:04 [#00888734]
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I think this website said it best: "Having investigated the various alternatives, we have concluded that it is neither worth the time, the money, nor the effort to go through the trouble of setting up to accept credit card payments online, as we refuse to let the short bus riding fucktards at PayPal have access to any of our precious bank account information."
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-10-04 04:12 [#00888830]
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that is verry bad news man. the thing i fearr is, that it will be in small prrint and you will have no option but to pay.
therre could be no way out of it. but i'd hold off paying forr as long as you can.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-10-04 04:28 [#00888841]
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jesus christ, this is horrible stuff,
*takes note "don't trust paypal"
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xf
from Australia on 2003-10-04 04:47 [#00888853]
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i've heard of all sorts of stories like this; know of people that have been screwed over huge amounts.
i've used them twice for small $5 transactions.
each time paypal goes HURR YOUR CREDIT CARD IS INVALID, then i get a call from my bank 5 seconds (heh, it's freaky, i'm being watched!) later saying paypal didn't like my card number, so it nicely cancelled my card; and would i like to be sent a new card?
do not advise using. paypal are retards.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-04 04:53 [#00888855]
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i've never had a problem with PayPal, and hope I never do.
I think i'm gonna stop recieving PayPal payments from ebay though, cheque seems safer.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-10-04 05:16 [#00888857]
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sue the buyer of course.
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regital
from Baltimore (United States) on 2003-10-04 05:18 [#00888858]
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I just started a Paypal account so I have no previous experience with them. I do know you choose whether or not your account can accept credit cards or not. If it does accept credit cards you have to pay a "processing fee". I choose not to deal with the problems credit cards can cause, or the fees, so I use the free alternative. No problems yet.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-10-04 09:40 [#00888994]
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i won't agrree to the new Terrms of Use. they keep e-mailing me.
i deleted all my account info weeks ago. does that mean they can't get to my money? orr do you think they still have access to my details?
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-04 14:52 [#00889372]
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This sucks. I have to go out and get a job now. I orginally quit my job due to stress related issues and now Im problebly going to find my self working in a call center in the next week or two.
I should make FUCK PAYPAL t shirts : )
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Cokey Romano
from Australia on 2003-11-10 21:30 [#00944669]
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Mama didn't raise no fool but I'm giving PayPal my credit card details on Friday. I read some on it. If you write in PayPal in a search engine, PayPal itself doesn't come up for several pages. It comes up with all these PayPalSucks.com sites. Anyway, I applied for a second visa card which will debit money out of a second account I started then. And then, once I have bought my items off eBay with the Paypal, I will cancel the account and very little wrong could happen. The most I could lose is $AU100, because that's all I put in the second account. I bought from ebay in America, if you'd like to know, the soundtrack to Kids for 11 cents, the soundtrack to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas for about one dollar, a Dinosaur Jnr. album for about two dollars and that's it. I'll buy some DVDs next, I guess, I don't know. I wanted to get the soundtrack for Gummo but all these people kept bidding on it and the dick who bought it paid about US eight dollars over retail price. I found out where I can it new now, this... this is a shitty post but i will post it anyway.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-11-10 21:33 [#00944674]
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I'm sorry to hear it oxygenfad.
It's shit like this that, well, ..... really fucking sucks.
If you find his info, let us know.
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Cokey Romano
from Australia on 2003-11-10 21:39 [#00944689]
Points: 223 Status: Addict
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Oxygenfad posted that a month ago. He could be anyway now, I've never heard of him, he's probably dead now.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-11-10 21:51 [#00944707]
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well then,
Bump.
For Great Justice.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-10 22:44 [#00944776]
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Ok so after X ammount of days Ebay tells me to use SQUARE TRADE. Anyway I got this ....
Hello Mr. Mcleod, It has been 14 days since you filed your case. Generally a respondent who doesn't respond within 14 days is not likely to respond. Unless we hear from the respondent, we won't send you further notice about this case.
If you have resolved the problem, please close the case.
So basiclly "Your fucked and we hate you"
>>>more ....
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-10 22:49 [#00944786]
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So a POWER SELLER gets in contact with me that week and warns me that the guy I dealt with was a fraud (a little too late lol) and reccomends I call the ebay 1-800 number (which is impossable to find on EBAYS site...) , so I did.
After waiting about 30 minutes on the phone someone who doesn't speak english answers and about after 30 minutes she tells me how to E-MAIL (!!!) ebay and complain.
SOOOOOOOO I email ebay only to get this a few days later ...
>>>next
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-10 22:50 [#00944788]
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Thank you for writing eBay's SafeHarbor Department to notify us that you
have been sent an item to a buyer but have not received payment for it.
We understand your concern about this situation and will review your
report as soon as possible. This is usually within 24 hours.
In the meantime, there are two steps that you may take to try to resolve
this situation with your trading partner. First, we recommend you
contact your buyer directly. You can request your buyer's contact
information at the following web address:
http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MemberSearchShow# ContactInfo
Second, we recommend that you consider using SquareTrade, which is an
online dispute resolution service. Because we understand that these
types of situations can be difficult, we have partnered with SquareTrade
to help our members resolve them. To learn more about SquareTrade
please go to the following web address:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/buyandsell/disputeres.html
If you are unable to resolve things with your buyer, you may want to
consider a few more options. First, you can use the Non-paying Bidder
Program to report the bidder and determine if you qualify for a Final
Value Fee (FVF) credit. You can read more about this process at the
following web address:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/npb.html
When you file for a FVF credit, the buyer's account is marked and dealt
with accordingly. Filing for the FVF credit allows eBay to track and
suspend buyers that do not follow through with their bidding
obligations. You can access the FVF page by clicking on eBay's "site
map" located at the top of any eBay page, and then by clicking on the
"request a final value fee credit" link located in the middle column,
under "Services." For your convenience, I've included the URL to file
for that credit:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/buyandsell/finalfee.html
In certain cases, you might want to contact the local law enforcement in
your area as well as where the
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-11-10 22:51 [#00944792]
Points: 4428 Status: Addict
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i ordered an aphex tshirt from warp three weeks ago. hasn't arrived yet. whats up with that?
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-10 23:02 [#00944823]
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From there I send them back an e-mail. and get this shit ...
Hello,
Thank you for writing to us about this situation. I appreciate your
email.
So that I can fully investigate this situation, can you please send me
the email that you received from your payment service stating that this
user paid you with fraudulent funds, with the full email headers?
The full header is extremely important, as we cannot take any kind of
action without it. A header will look like a string of "nonsense"
characters, similar to the example I have pasted for you below. You can
find this by using the "properties" function of your email program.
Return-Path: Received: from mail-pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23])
by ixmail9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP
id; for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:34:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Received: from 207.214.211.69 (ppp-207-214-211-69.sntc01.pacbell.net
[207.214.211.69]) by mail- gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA15251; Mon, 22 Mar 1999
06:34:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36F5D668@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:34:32 +0100 Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03-PBI-N303 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: TITLE OF EMAIL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
As soon I have received this information, I will be able to further
investigate your situation.
In the meantime, here is some information that may help you resolve this
situation.
And then the "In the mean time" bullshit is a copy and paste of what I posted above!!!
FUCK EBAY. FUCK PAYPAL. I fucking hate them : (
Imagine if a doctor told you that you had cancer but it was a template?!?!?!
"Dear Mr/Mrs _____. We are sorry to inform you that you have ______ cancer. ______ cancer is uncurable.
We regret this situation and will contact
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-10 23:08 [#00944834]
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Anyway since then I got nothing. Their example was bullshit, the email I got from paypal is the one above (...Dear Georgio Paulin ...)
I got screwed good. Oh here is his email address if you want to fuck his shit up (its problebly fake)
petercjosephcorp@yahoo.com
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-10 23:09 [#00944838]
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The address in which I sent the card too was as follows :
GRIGORIY PROHOROV RUSSIA, MOSCOW, 125319 CHERNIAHOVSKOGO STR., 15-1-11
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-11-11 00:48 [#00944922]
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I warned you, but no one listened to me.
I warned you all that PayPal Sucks ass, and no one listend.
I linked to all the stories and claims, and no one listened.
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Cokey Romano
from Australia on 2003-11-11 01:19 [#00944941]
Points: 223 Status: Addict
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Ah, ha. Moscow? I searched for his name through Yahoo and he made a post here (just press control+F and find his name). Maybe you could use WHOIS if you find out he has a site of some sort because they often have, rather then the host's adress, the adress of the domain owner, or something.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-11 02:21 [#00944992]
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Cokey, my god thank you very much ! This is so cool that people are helping me out with this !
Man you don't understand how cool of you it was to do that !!!!!!!!!
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-11-11 02:22 [#00944993]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular
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BlatantEcho: I know : \
*Bows before BlatantEcho*
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Cokey Romano
from Australia on 2003-11-11 21:05 [#00946490]
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I don't know what you could do. Probably nothing. Maybe you could make the money back by doing what he did. Anyway, I haven't given PayPal my credit card yet because the card hasn't come through. How long does it take them to verify the card because I'm supposed to buy these cds within seven days, I think.
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