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ok, i have been making music for three years now and i still am extremely intimidated by the drum machine. i use cool edit pro (and have been for 3 years) and i know it inside out... i know it better than my own mother. i read the reason manual back to front, and many times over... i know it really fucking well. i can reason pretty well. but i can't program a drum beat for the fuck of me. it has been and endless source of frustration and confusion. most nights are spent curled up in the fetal postion crying because of this. i can make sorta of beats... but not anything good...... ,,, like break beat. i have searched the internet for tutorials on programming break beat, but with no luck. so i can only hope someone out that can hook a desperate brotha up with some links , or tutorials. for the love god help me........ |
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holy shit dude, i haven't seen you in a long time. anyhow.. the sound of a breakbeat is particular to just that, break beat.. that have been sampled. you can not get a breakbeat sound from a drum machine (unless you are really, really good) you need to d/l some classic breakbeats and work with them. maybe if you posted a sample of some of your work i and others could give you some pointers? my first thought would be start punding out beats with your hands or some pencils or something.. nothing will get you more familliar with the behavior of a break beat than knowing how they act in a real-live, real time environment.. there are some great threads on breakbeat programming i can dig up for you if that will help. but yeah, post what you got and ill try to see where its lacking, if it even is.. :) snuh~ |
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where is Cranbrook? i would suggest listening to a lot of old funk tunes and getting a feel for how they used to use their sounds, and how to use fills correctly - then grab a few old loops and mess around with them, slice em up and screw around with your sounds it took me months to learn how to make breaks and sliced beats - just keep practicing and expirimenting |
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I have never used either of those programs, only modplug tracker. Percussion organization seems much simpler than melody because any percussion sound can overlap with any other one without sounding awkward. Here are my suggestions: 1) use a really fast tempo even if you don't want a fast beat. pretend as if only every fourth or eighth row exists so that you have empty space to work with in rearranging positions. 2) usually it seems the beats that sound good are the ones that have repetition with a slight change. for example a base drum could go: 0--0--0- on the first repetition and then go: 0--0-0-- on the second repetition (a slight change). I could send you modplug tracker probably with simple examples and explanations if you want. |
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dude breaks aren't that hard, try this: closed hihat every two steps snare on 5th and 13th step bassdrum on 1st, 8th and 11th step really simple break. from there you just gotta really learn by yourself, it's not too hard, shit, even i did it and i'm really really stupid |
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3) make seperate but simultaneous patterns using about 4 different percussion samples, each sample in a different pattern. Make sure that step 1 and 2 are taken into account above. Now make about 4 identical patterns of this. Now make each of these 4 patterns unique by randomly copying small parts and pasting them elsewhere. |
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pomm: yes it is good to see you too! that is what i want to do is make that break beat right from scratch. i can't bear to use someelse's drums!! i have no clue where to start! mmmwwwMwwwmmm thats usually how i do my drum programming. fast tempo and choatic placement, but the tranisitions are always obvious and sound so shitty |
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od_step_cloak i just did that in reason... holy fuck! that is amazing that is the beat sounding beat i have ever made! |
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try making two loops of a simple hip hop beat. snare on the 3 and the 7 and kick on the 1 and 5. throw some hats in there and loop at about 90 bpm. then double the bpms and move those snares around a bit but keep the kicks the same. add a kick here and there but don't over do it. try raising the pitch of the last snare in a set of 4 loops. add a crash on the first kick in each set of 4 loops. does any of that make sense? i don't know if that's considered a break but awkward hip-hop beats with steady kicks sound phat at higher bpm's. another trick that i have heard works (never tried it) is find a song you like and sample the whole fucking thing. then build your drum beat right on top of it, putting in your own snares and kicks on top of it's snares and kicks. then delete the song you used as a template and make some adjustments to your new loop. this is a good cure for writers block too. |
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Buy a drum kit and understand how beats work. Sounds gay but its the truth. Other then that as long you have a snare for ever 5th and 13th note , everything else doesnt matter .... it will sound good lol. I got some tutorials I can scan for you, anyone email me if interested. |
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no shit, rudament books help too |
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for variation try adding open hihats 2 steps before the snares (ie on the 3rd and 11th steps) that close on the snare. ie don't let the hihat sound continue after the snare sound. also try adding a snare with slightly lower volume on the 7th and/orr 16th steps. this is kind of hard to map out in my head (esp. with the step umbers!) without like fruityloops or something in front of me... |
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Try experimenting otherwise you will just be one of the other formulaic clowns like everyone on this board. |
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FL works for me. just open up the FruitySlicer, load up a break sample, and open up the PianoRoll and you're good to go. way easier than CoolEdit (older version) in that regard. |
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except you of course |
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Nice of you to recognise my talent. Normally people of a lower standard are less willing to accept this fact. I applaude you. |
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I didn't mean that as a put down. There are a lot of people who would be happy to make do with your talent. |
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hahahaha this coming from a guy whos name is braindance backwards :P |
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i got breakbeats in essence in safe scrunch, but its filtered into gescom oblivion :] |
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Back in the fasttracker days I use to download XMs and study how people would program things. Like with anything its a process of learning. Go out on a limb and find some reading material. There is no BREAKBEAT secret we arnt telling you. Knowledge is power. |
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i gotta say death pengwin, your avatar is the original and best |
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i agree, knowledge is power.. even tho i dont know shit about breakbeats.. but overally |
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use your ears to listen - eyes to see -> combination of these 2 + persistance and don't give up.then you'll become a ninja..... sorry can't help you really .why don't you sample a breakbeat first ,.figger out the original speed..timestretch it to the speed you're using in you're track. Cut it up so you've got seperate kick snares and what not--or start out using larger portions of the wave and mess with that....good way of getting a grips with the fundamentals. You can always alter the completed sequences later on for originality sake. |
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I was trying to get a rise out of someone for a laugh. I'm still a long long way behind a lot of you fools, but I can keep plodding on and eventually I will get to where I want to go :P |
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You should plough because you want to plow. Keep your head facing down and when you look up, the others will be far behind you. |
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lol "formulaic clown?" i prefer to sound more like a cookie-cutter boob. |
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Perhaps you're just not suited to making breaks. I'm shit at ambient, it all comes out sounding flat and predictable. I'd like to do it well, but I can't. Just do what you're good at mate. |
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Though come to think of it I really wanted to be able to make breakbeats and I can now despite being shit so maybe it is just practice. I love beats though and I'm quite happy to work on a pattern for 3 hours at a stretch. |
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