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Phobiazero from Sweden on 2001-02-24 15:28 [#00000365] | |||||||||
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Check out some vocal IDM-tracks . |
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8274 topics later I'de say... no, I don't think so |
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A friend of mine told me that they don't like my music because it didn't have any words in it !!!!THE BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!!!!! |
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Tell that friend to sing along then |
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music is music. with or without lyrics. some music seems to sound better with lyrics and some dont. It`s life man! |
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I've started to like singing less and less... unless it's David Gilmour or John Lennon! |
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Me too... you know, this topic is over a year old? We've come a long way, baby. :) |
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me too |
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hehe.. its so old the link no longer works.. but it WOULD be interesting to here some lyrics in idm... can u post the link again phobiazero? |
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I have this theory that the #1 thing stopping people from coming into the electronica scene from any other genre is the lack of lyrics. People have these stupid preconceptions about what music has to be in order for it to be listenable. I mean, people can like something on hearing it, but they just wont listen to something actively unless it has lyrics to it. It's quite said. And I totally agree with ophecks, I'm starting to like singing less and less, I appraise hip hop music just for its beats more and more, and I wish Bjork would shut up so I could hear her tunes. In fact, I wish pretty much everything came in instrumental form because 90% of the time it would be better! Maybe I'm getting carried away a bit but it annoys me sometimes, especially when what people are often really listening to are half-assed electronic melodies in pop-songs when they could be listening to Richy Rich. |
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Isn't this ''Celine'' in the custom remixes? Performed a vocal Nannou? It was good! It's still there, I bet. |
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Ok mark this: Im only listeing to electronical music beacuse i sing so bad. I do not want to see my self walking don the street singin the text to my favourite song, that would be way too cruel to the ppl in my surrounding. There for i pick my music after the lack of singalong effect. The less the better. |
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ONE MORE OPHECKS!!! |
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ya but ur voice can be an instrument too.. the less dependant it is on lyrics the more of an instrument it is, i think like some radiohead songs especially i dont mind it then |
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But if an instrumet sounds bad it could be because somone haven't tuned it. If you sing bad that's your own fault. |
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any comments on my theory? ^follow up |
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true |
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not only do 'people' want lyrics to sing along to they also want them in the usual verse-chorus-verse arrangement. That way you can be singing along before you've finished lisning to the song 1 time. |
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ya i agree w/ u xanatos... maybe they feel they can relate to lyrics more easily than beats... OR.. GET THIS: vocals are in the same language people communicate and think in.. so they'll feel more at home w/ some guy singing words they can relate to as opposed to rhythm/beats but maybe some people (like us) are more used to rhythms.. we think of them more, we spend a lot of time analyzing them.. and because of that we can convey emotion through non-lyrical music more easily ie. boards of canada can be very effective at that without the use of lyrics |
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You are right, what one want to hear is fully subjective, and can be altered. There are no absolutes in what the bain like to recive from it ear nerves, that's manipulative. Fashion is a good word here. What we experience can be the sound of tomorrow. |
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I totally agree with your theory Xantos, kids are bombarded by TV showing all the popular videos, all with singing in them, making them believe singing is a necesity for good music. |
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[editors notes: i didn't mean JUST rhythms... just other musical tools other than lyrics: we dont need the singer to tell us he/she is feeling down, the music tells us) |
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Very interesting indeed... |
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wot do u think about songs when its just talking? |
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Electronic music conjures up INFINITELY more vivid and poweful mental images because they have no lyrics... nobody's telling me what to think, what the song means. It's so sad when people won't listen to SAW 2 because there isn't any LYRICS to tell them how they should interpret the track. |
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I think lyrics are good because they give u something to relate to and to try and understand, and music is amazing cos it just takes u somewhere. I try and make misleading or titles that are really ambiguous, but still hav meaning in them. I like meaning and metaphors, I cant help it! |
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Xanatos: agree - it seems lyrics serve as a type of backbone for pop music ? a lot of music really .. so i guess it is perhaps not all too surprising that when people listen to largely instrumental electronica (ie. thrown in the deep end) they are kind of lost and have no reference point, and so all the beats, the seemingly chaotic synths appear hard to follow?? maybe [seems like a bit of an extention to yer theory] personally i don't mind lyrics .. altho i prefer without. I do however very much like the use of vocal snippets (v v short) as a percussion hit .. ie. Funkstorung do this wonderfully .. ie. what is being said is nonsensical - but the actual timbre of the sound seems quite innately familiar ? dunno .. just blabbing |
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I'll tell you that when you tell me what you think about edge-less knifes. |
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ya ophecks its like they aren't creative/open/independant minded enough to play an active role in the music they're listening too... u shoud be able to come up w/ ur own ideas to accompany music its sad.... |
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oops, i hope i did not come off sounding too critical there... didn't mean for it to sound that way |
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Yeah, I like the use of vocal snipplets also, making the voice an instrument, like u-ziq - goodbye, goodbye |
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i fully agree with you xanatos even when "electronica" songs do get popular, they are always the ones that have lyrics. "around the world around the world" "i am the fi-ya staa tah" or the new "wheres yo head at?" my theory is that simple people or people with no appreciation for music need to have the lyrics there to have something to relate too when they are listening. it's easier for them to find meaning in words than in sound. what i hate is how pop bands feel like they need lyrics even though they have nothing worth saying. i mean, if you are gonna say something AND put it to music, shouldn't it, at the very least, have some importance or poetic merit; and not be just "fo da nookie?" |
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depends on how efficiently you implement your sound |
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Today's rock bands try to sound so hardcore and meaningful... makes me sick, these rich, spoiled brats whine to cater to the little idiot ''rebels'' that listen to their tripe. Society sucks, parents suck, blablabla. |
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i am not, however saying that lyrics are only for simple people. i am just saying that some people NEED lyrics and some people can appreciate more than just the lyrics. |
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haha.. true... its pathetic how angry little teenagers take 'their' culture so seriously.. they dont realise its all business! pfft: even rebellion is packaged and sold.. |
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hey why arent' u a wizard ??? ophex |
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lol.... ophecks has hit the nail on the head!! People go for songs with lyrics, cos they've been brought up singing words.... singing windowlicker is quite a challenge :-) |
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thats funny ophecks rock music used to have angst because of opression (NIN, Rage against the machine) now its just angst because mommy didn't love me and daddy didn't show me enough attention. |
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can u imagine punk music with any lyrics? it just doesnt seem right, does it? |
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No, you're right; punk music with lyrics is a ridiculous idea. |
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only music of insufficient sound needs to be backed by lyrics to convey its message. those who can implement legitimate sound don't need lyrics, for the sound conveys the message all on its own. |
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ya thats what i was tryin to say.. |
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take NIN's the Great Below for example.... would it be as moving if trent didnt scream "THE GREAT BELOW" after the crescendo [build up :-)]...? |
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Funny... RDJ once said he only did music beacuse of the money. |
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heheh. oopsss.... punk music WITHOUT.......... dont u just hate cock ups like that? |
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so what's more important, voice or speech? |
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most punk music hardly has MUSIC let alone lyrics. i like some punk but jeez 2 guitars and some drums? and the guitars are recyclying the same 10 power cords. |
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Lyrics can also add to music. They arn't all Nicleback and Backstreet Boys. Velvet Underground's music was great and lyrics just added too it. Voice can be very powerful in conveying emotion as well. It doesn't have to be words. ie. Sigur Ros. |
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or cocteau twins |
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