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Rot. |
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reminds me of a jupitah topic he supposed that if consciousness does not terminate, then the implication is that when one dies, their consciousness has to go somewhere |
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what i hope: all your dreams come true and you're happy, being who you want to be, where you want to be, doing what you want to be, and be happy with your other dead friends. no more boredom also, except if you want it. what i believe: nothing. |
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hope comes from incertitude.... |
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Well you'll be waiting a long time Uzim. Lol. |
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You're such a fun and uplifting person... |
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promo > why? what do you mean? |
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You are assigned a job to do in the big scheme of things. I know mine is to ride the intergalactic lawn mower throughout the universe for no good reason. |
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why aren't you assigned one just before life starts? would be way easier |
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Instant relief. |
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Hey what you askin' me for buddy im just a tentacle |
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yeah I love promo too!! He's such a nice guy! |
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haha i was going to put rrot. |
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you can't believe in nothing - you have a belief, which is the belief of nothing, which contradicts itself. |
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promo > i don't believe in waiting in the nothing, if it's what you mean. by "nothing", i mean you just don't exist anymore, your soul dies along with your body. if you meant, i'll have to be dead to be happy and all... well, if you're happy being exactly who you want to be doing what you want to do etc., then good for you. i don't care. =P |
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marlowe > by "nothing", i mean you just don't exist anymore, your soul dies along with your body. but yeah, i shouldn't have put "what i believe", it's rather "what i think is most likely to happen". |
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the bateria in your stomach dissolves your insides |
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I stand by my original statement. |
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it only contradicts itself because of problems with the english language. a better way to say it is: "I have no beliefs" Which is what I have. |
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No argument for what happens after death has shown itself to be more reliable than any other, thus I have no basis to form any beliefs. I'm going to wait and see. |
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you're recyled. body & soul. |
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Science still isn't any nearer to explaining what it is to be self-aware/consious/alive than it was 15,000 years ago. So anyone who tries to explain death in purely rational pseudo-scientific terms is only speculating. I personally think you'll lose all the concepts and illusions the brain creates, such as individulaity and location and things... Just become a part of the great spirit again - You arrive at the same conclusions whether it be through religion, philosophy, physics, even maths! Just a shame modern society is so focused on right-brain stimulation - Puts every one in the Western world in a state where you are aware of you own existance yet cannot rationally justify it - Crazy shit... |
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to answer the question: I don't know. |
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i figured out the exact set of equations to explain the creation of the universe. i've got them stored in my TI-81. they're pretty simple really. i use them to cheat on algebra tests. |
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Okay, even barring a complex scientific definition, I think we can all agree that the definition of the state of 'death' is the lack of experience. From that, I'll say 'you' can't experience it, because 'you' cease to exist. And - uh- yes science has advanced the understanding of self-awareness/consciousness/aliveness a lot compared to 15,000 years ago. I mean, people used to think that the mind resided in the heart, rather than the brain. There's just the first example for you. |
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If you did, and had the computing power to follow them out, you would probably be the most powerful person in the universe. |
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If people were 100% certain of that back then but completely wrong, what's to say we're not completely wrong now? |
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The fact that we know about things like brain cells, synapses, nerve impulses, etc. etc. etc. |
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i think i think, therefore i think i am. |
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Well no one really has a clue what that element is that gives you awareness/experience - The brain can account for a lot - Yet there's still the fact that there's something on the other end actually experiencing it. There was a brilliant documentary on this the other day on UK TV called Soul Searching. |
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Heaven, I hope. I hope to have a harem and every videogame ever made up there. But I'm worried that when I die, there won't be anything else, the world will go black and then... nothing. Whatever the fuck a ''soul'' is, I hope it floats out of my corpse and pulls that reincarnation shit, we don't have enough alotted years. |
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my ideal afterlife would be to have complete freedom within all dimensions (space/time etc) for all eterninty. I would like to witness the dawn of time , the evolution of all species, and the destruction of mankind |
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I kind of tend to think that when you die your ego and sense of self will disintegrate and your soul will be liberated - Just become a part of the cosmic order that created you - I kind of think of consiousness as a reality/state in itself, completely detachted from space and time... I mean, it's only your sense organs and brain that even give you a concept of "where" you actually are - For all you know your self-awareness could be completely omnipresent. I actually had my beliefs in the soul reinforced by working in AI for a long time - You realise self awareness and consiousness could easily be simulated - One day with enough code that can rewrite and modify itself etc... But it'll never have true awareness - There would be no way of measuring if it did either - But there's no reason for it to ever occur - Why should it? Also interesting the way you can retain individuality and self with either half of your brain inactive/missing - So you could take one half of your brain out your body and still be alright - But what if you were to take both halves out and put in both in different bodies? Which would be the real you? etc... millions of philosophy arguements like that... Also a lot of evidense that consious awareness can exist outside the boundaries of normal space/time - Precognitive thought, remote viewing, etc... |
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Actually, I'm still in two minds as to whether you retain individuality after death - Just don't know really - I kind of instinctively think you do but rationally (if you could call it that!) think you wouldn't... Maybe you retain it until you're ready to become liberated from it - Reincarnateing until your soul is of a certain quality to join god-head/cosmic order or whatever way you want to look at it... Only my opinions! Not enforcing my pseudo-scientific/religious ideas on anyone I hope! |
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pseudo-scientific? non-scientific |
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Well y'know I'm not a fully qualified physicist or anything! I've just got a kind of basic understanding of some of the issues in this arguement. Read the odd book but certainly no expert! |
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mappatazee: "it only contradicts itself because of problems with the english language. a better way to say it is: "I have no beliefs" Which is what I have." And that doesn't contradict itself you so-called free spirit? bit dissapointing coming from a nietzsche head like you ;-) |
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i think that just as the flesh and nutrients of your physical body deteriorate and become part of the physical world, the energy and thought waves that make up your soul break down deteriorate and become part of the ephemeral world. it's just a contiuation of the symetry of life. so yeah, i think your sense of self is lost at death, and "you" become part of the pool that everything else comes from. |
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"man would rather will nothingness than not will." GoM; (3), 28. |
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oi, i'm no nietzsche head. i've read beyond good and evil but that's all. |
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haha .. was thinking for a moment there that you graced me with a Heideggerian silence ;-) i thoroughly recommend "On the Genealogy of Morals" .. truly fuckin amazing |
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« "man would rather will nothingness than not will." GoM; (3), 28. » > are you sure? (it's like people who say "you regret more the things you don't that the things you do"... not always true, it is a generalization...) |
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korben beat me to the punch :| |
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uzim .. its a truism. Nietzsche has a monist view of will (he borrowed from Schopenhauer) .. you can't not will - even self-harming behaviour is "will-full" in this sense .. you can't "decide" to not will ... |
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there there marlowe .. you haven't fallen ill all of a sudden have you? |
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uzim : part 2 .. you can only put adjectives and or what not infront of will .. so will nothing, will this or that .. but so long as there is life, there is will ... at least for this Friedrich dude. |
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If nothing, then i will be not be anything, then i dont care. If something, no mortal will know, and that includes me, ergo, i dont care about it. I think thats what makes us live our lives. The mystery of death. If we all knew, we would either be to afraid to live, or commit suecide if we knew it was better!!! |
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the mystery of death .. i'd drink to that!! |
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Hi, what happens when death occurs? I had a startling dream about this. the sadness of abandoning all human contact. the loss of physical senses, the inablilty to drink beer, or hear music, the uprooting of all you are or know. I enjoy life to the fullest, as often as I can, Hi, I'm Sleep. |
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