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offline atgmartin from DeathMallMegaComplexville (United States) on 2003-09-20 17:47 [#00871490]
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Another geat thread.

What is your opinion of recording with your computer using
software vs. recording into a mixer/recorder?

Also, does anyone have experience using an Audigy 2 Platinum
as a recording input?


 

offline atgmartin from DeathMallMegaComplexville (United States) on 2003-09-20 19:51 [#00871617]
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Anybody wanna help a poor boy out here?


 

offline Duble0Syx from Columbus, OH (United States) on 2003-09-20 22:01 [#00871653]
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I happen to have a Audigy 2 Platinum and i've used it for
recording vinyls and some keyboard stuff.


 

offline Duble0Syx from Columbus, OH (United States) on 2003-09-20 22:18 [#00871660]
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Oh, and to answer a possible question: It is a very nice
soundcard. Well worth the money in my opinion. Especially
if you get some 5.1 or 6.1 surround speakers. Makes making
music sound a lot better. Plsu that 24-bit 96khz or
whatever recording is nice. The remote is pretty worthless
unless you use there software. And the midi ports are
usefull to.


 

offline J Swift from United Kingdom on 2003-09-20 22:22 [#00871662]
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I know some ppl who get on fine with 100% software setups -
But to be honest, I don't like computers - I just can't get
the results I'm after mixing in Logic - And I don't like
working with softsynths either.
The only thing on the computer I like working with is
Renoise.
But that's just me!
I lurrvvee real synths - I get at least 50% of my ideas and
inspiration from my synths - Love the organic/evolving sound
of analog synths.
As soon as I see menus and have to click a mouse I just
don't feel musical any more.


 

offline J Swift from United Kingdom on 2003-09-20 22:23 [#00871663]
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Slaveing over a big ol' mixing desk and messing with sliders
and dials is what attracted me to producing music in the
first place.


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-09-20 22:36 [#00871671]
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Right on!

Heaps better than staring at a monitor clicking with a
mouse, etc. etc.


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-09-20 22:41 [#00871674]
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It's all the same shit, just different piles.


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-20 22:41 [#00871676]
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Hardware seems to sound more pleasing to the ear & hardware
effects generally sound alot better than the weak software
imitations imo...........Then again, I also feel that
monkeys sound better than caterpillars & geese fly
straighter than 9 out of ten lymph glands smell in most
cases

M-Audio make very high quality sound cards for a very
resonable price, my delta is top notch for recording
although my behringer mixing desk is kinda crappy (I get
alot of interference from it, although that could be due to
many things) but hey, what can you expect for £40?


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-20 22:44 [#00871680]
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atgmartin,

what gear do you have so far?


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-09-20 22:53 [#00871689]
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M audio are bastards Ill never buy anything from those nazis
ever again.
They dont support anything its fucking shit. Man I really
hate them a lot.

Soft and Hard are both on the same team I would say. Why
would I use any of my FM synths when I can just use FM7? I
have no idea, but I still do.

As long as the job gets done right I would say.

I record to tape sometimes, I record to PC sometimes. I need
both or I feel like shit lol



 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-20 23:09 [#00871698]
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"M audio are bastards Ill never buy anything from those
nazis
ever again.
They dont support anything its fucking shit. Man I really
hate them a lot"

Ha, I feel the same way about Edirol.

"Soft and Hard are both on the same team I would say"

I concur! For me hardware is best for the creative process,
a sexy bit of gear can really give your inspiration level a
boost. Software is great for aranging, sequencing & editing
due to the large display & extra spicy features.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-09-20 23:12 [#00871701]
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i used to make a big stink about this kind of thing cause i
always used hardware only (w/o midi). but my fourtrack
broke, and lately i've been using soundedit pro 16 on mac
os9. it's pretty dandy

so whatever leave me alone


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-09-20 23:32 [#00871711]
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if i had a decent computer, id use it for extra midi shitz
and perhaps for synth effects..

but yeah, i can do almost everything important on my 10 year
old rolands :)


 

offline atgmartin from DeathMallMegaComplexville (United States) on 2003-09-20 23:37 [#00871716]
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Well I have a Novation KS-4, decent VA synth. But I mainly
want to record guitars and drum machine, using the synth for
bass and pads. How plausible is it to get good results in
the software recording domain? I have the idea that I can
mic my amps, or plug straight in, to an Audigy 2 plat pro,
mix and record with Cubase SX. But I'm retarded at this
kind of shit.


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-20 23:43 [#00871718]
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do you have a pc?


 

offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2003-09-21 01:34 [#00871745]
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hardware


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2003-09-21 02:37 [#00871754]
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hardware definately. for example: nothing on your pc can
make such cool sounds like a korg or a real 303.


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2003-09-21 03:38 [#00871766]
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oh goodie, another boring discussion.
the quality is both equally good. the only thing that is
different is the sound and warmth of the music that will be
different.
but 99% of the people including me and you won't hear the
difference between a track mixed on analogue mixer or mixed
digitally. now shut up and go make music.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-09-21 05:06 [#00871799]
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OK REALLY IF YOU WANT TO REACH FULL POTENTIAL WITH SOFTWARE
YOU HAVE TO GET HARDWARE.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2003-09-21 05:10 [#00871800]
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Agreed, the software is only as good as the hardware.

Classic example....a nicely composed MIDI file sounds shit
on a 16bit SoundBlaster.


 

offline Murray from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-21 05:14 [#00871805]
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I would prefer to get an old analouge synth (hardware) than
a software rehash.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-21 05:18 [#00871808]
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Not really a relevent comparison as MIDI isn't music
software.

It depends...stuff like a 303 is always going to sound
better with the original hardware. However software
sythesis of old analogue sounds is getting to the stage
where the majority of people couldn't tell the difference.
Digital synths there is no difference at all. Yu just have
to make sure you have a good PC with as good a soundcard as
you can afford.



 

offline joakimlinden from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-09-21 05:41 [#00871816]
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Hardware vs. Software... Well nowadays the difference is
marginal - it's more inside your head.

Almost all hardware that is produced these days contain
software, they are infact digital all the way through in
many cases. This makes the difference between PC's and
"real" synthesizers minimal in terms of sound, but the
physical existence of knobs and sliders might be what
triggers your imagination and inspiration - sitting still
infront of a monitor rarely sparks my inspiration anymore,
but that's the only thing I can afford right now so...


 

offline hepburnenthorpe from sydney (Australia) on 2003-09-21 09:16 [#00871921]
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for recording guitars and drums and stuff, i would
deffinately go with hardware. just use the pc to do the
final mastering.

get yourself a good desk, with phantom power. some good
mikes, and your away.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2003-09-21 09:43 [#00871944]
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I like the hands on feeling of making music with a hardware
setup. Pushing buttons and muting/unmuting channels on the
mixer to check what sounds good together. It's still alot of
mouse clicking when doing the actual sequencing, but atleast
you don't have to do everything with the mouse.

-P


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-09-21 09:54 [#00871961]
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Hardware is always a wonderfull experience and I also
believe that its much quicker to make a song once you know
your hardware. Using two hands to tweak knobs is better than
one mouse. However hardware and stuff is expensive and I
would only go hardware if you had a very nice computer with
Logic audio running on it. Very expensive when you add it
up.

Software is the way to go if you dont have the cash... you
can just download all your music making programs.


 

offline atgmartin from DeathMallMegaComplexville (United States) on 2003-09-21 13:09 [#00872162]
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Yes, I have a very good PC in terms of processor speed and
memory, etc. so that wouldn't limit me.


 


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