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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 10:33 [#00865332] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | Personally this is the best , most amazing , greatest , awesome music-tank to create everything what you want.
 
 Problem - if i dont have an bank account , or credit card ,
 how to get refill's cd's ????
 
 
 
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         |  DJ Xammax
             from not America on 2003-09-16 10:38 [#00865343] Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
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 | I want it so bad.... 
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 10:39 [#00865346] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | what do you want ? refills or whole reason ? 
 
 
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         |  blrr
             from the block on 2003-09-16 10:49 [#00865371] Points: 585 Status: Lurker
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 | i think Reason is predominantly for german anoraked trance geeks.
 
 I use redrum. thats it.
 
 Subtractor sounds like a washing
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 10:50 [#00865377] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | yeah, but when you compile subtractor withe scream4 effect - it sounds !!!! and also Malstorm is good , too
 
 
 
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         |  blrr
             from the block on 2003-09-16 10:51 [#00865380] Points: 585 Status: Lurker
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 | right. 
 
 
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         |  mc_303_beatz
             from Glasgow, Scotland on 2003-09-16 10:52 [#00865385] Points: 3386 Status: Regular
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 | I only use Reason to make drum samples. Looks like too much fiddling about to me. And the sound design aspect is
 limited. But it's an excellent program and the preset sounds
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 10:58 [#00865397] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | to be honest - all my tracks are made only on reason , the only part not from reason are samples -
 
 
 
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         |  scup_bucket
             from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2003-09-16 10:59 [#00865399] Points: 4540 Status: Regular
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 | i use 2.0 now...dont know much about 2.5 though it sounds basically the same. i like it for drums just the way its set
 up but i dont like how its so limited to premade drum kits.
 maybe there's a way around that i dont know.
 
 
 
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 11:02 [#00865408] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | its not limited - you can use Recycle to change DrRex drums , and you can change almost everything on redrum pattern -
 soma part on redrum , some on line in the bottom of screen
 
 
 
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         |  Skeptopotamus
             from Home (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-16 11:26 [#00865470] Points: 625 Status: Regular
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 | I find Reason to be counterproductive. It may have a lovely fancy dazzling interface but it ultimatly just gets in the
 damn way, and doesn't provide enough methods of making (and
 breaking) sounds to fuel my creativity. Moan moan moan etc,
 kudos if you can get it to make the music you want though,
 that's all that really matters in the end.
 
 
 
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         |  blrr
             from the block on 2003-09-16 11:29 [#00865479] Points: 585 Status: Lurker
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 | its wank. 
 
 
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 11:36 [#00865494] Points: 7021 Status: Addict | Followup to Skeptopotamus: #00865470
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 | its funny coz i always thought that the more creativity you have inside - the less you need to show it ....
 ...nothing personal , maybe im not so creative like you
 whats the point of buying hole cake when you want to eat
 just a slice ?
 
 
 
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         |  Skeptopotamus
             from Home (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-16 11:50 [#00865534] Points: 625 Status: Regular
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 | Ye'what? 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-09-16 11:52 [#00865543] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | It's good for looped based stuff.  It's no good for drill stuff but if you aren't into that and you can do without
 many effects in your tracks then it is a good package.
 
 
 
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         |  exillon
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-16 12:24 [#00865576] Points: 122 Status: Lurker
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 | I like how almost everything is automatable, although it can get quite messy
 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-16 12:24 [#00865577] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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 | I like it. Still not given it a full run through though. 
 
 
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         |  scup_bucket
             from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2003-09-16 12:39 [#00865591] Points: 4540 Status: Regular
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 | ecnadniarb: drill stuff is all i make with it. everysong i've made with it has absolutely no loops
 
 
 
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         |  cx
             from Norway on 2003-09-16 13:23 [#00865629] Points: 4537 Status: Regular
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 | Yeah I mean, you don't have to use the redrum interface to make beats, you can click the edit button while having the
 redrum track ativated, and it functions just like a piano
 roll.
 
 Personally I've stretched the malstrom and subtractor to
 it's limits.
 I'm aware of all the sounds you can get, but if you really
 want to get rid of the 'reason sound', you need to start
 using the samplers.
 
 And since I'm not really worried about that, it just fits me
 very well right now.
 It's so easy, and I totally disagree with another poster
 that it gets in the way and doesn't fuel creativity, I mean
 that program has done more for me than any other.
 
 
 
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         |  hepburnenthorpe
             from sydney (Australia) on 2003-09-16 13:26 [#00865634] Points: 1367 Status: Regular
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 | nah, project5 is just so much better. vsti support and all. 
 im using prject5, with fruity as a vsti + all the native
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         |  neut
             from Boise (United States) on 2003-09-16 14:24 [#00865711] Points: 42 Status: Lurker
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 | kool-aid guy says: 
 reason + live = oh yeah!
 
 
 
 
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-16 15:14 [#00865796] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | hmmmm 
 
 
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         |  Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2003-09-16 15:51 [#00865864] Points: 7483 Status: Lurker
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 | I think that if you have imagination you can do anything you want, i have discovered many interesting things you can do
 with it.
 
 As i said your imagination is the only limiting factor : )
 
 
 
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         |  evolume
             from seattle (United States) on 2003-09-16 15:56 [#00865875] Points: 10965 Status: Regular
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 | i use acid pro mostly because it's a program i fully understand and i don't want to try to learn new software or
 buy a new computer just yet.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2003-09-16 16:18 [#00865919] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Reason is alright, although everything made with reason sounds like its made on reason, the drum interface and
 automation interfaces are ass, and it doesn't have VST
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         |  Dael
             from the low end (Australia) on 2003-09-16 21:22 [#00866213] Points: 968 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taxidermist: #00865919
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 | "although everything made with reason sounds like its made on reason" ,
 Wouldn't that be due to the fact that your letting the
 software influence the end result too much, not the other
 way around?
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-09-16 21:33 [#00866232] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Followup to scup_bucket: #00865591 | Show recordbag
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 | I'm not saying you can't make it but it is a lot more tedious and a lot more work than using other packages.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2003-09-16 21:58 [#00866251] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dael: #00866213
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 | Perhaps, but most experienced producers I have talked to, including myself (although not as experienced as I would
 like) seem to agree on the same thing. You can still make
 amazing stuff with reason (I never said it was a bad
 program).
 
 Funny. My computer setup is so shit poor, I always thought I
 was close to bringing it well past its sonic potential. Not
 that I am amazing or anything like that, but I have a really
 shitty computer set up.
 
 
 
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         |  Dael
             from the low end (Australia) on 2003-09-16 22:24 [#00866290] Points: 968 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taxidermist: #00866251
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 | No doubt at all Taxidermist, 
 I totally agree with you, my experiences have told me that
 the more you know about the software that your on, the more
 unique and creative you can be (less likely to run the
 software at it's default (demolike) settings)
 ... so maybe it could have something to do with the
 interface? What does everyone else think too? Do you think
 that the interface you work with influences song structure,
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2003-09-17 00:05 [#00866404] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dael: #00866290
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 | I have found that the more intuitive and comfortable an interface is, the more dynamic my music sounds, as far as
 song structure is concerned. Also, software developers have
 a tenancy to make shit hot software look shit hot. So a lot
 of the time if something looks cool, there is a reason for
 that. A prime example of this is the good folks at native
 instruments. It looks beautifully set up and futuristic, and
 it sounds amazing.
 
 It seems to me that reason just has a very polished, yet...
 I donno. Its hard to describe. A lot of software like reason
 and fruity loops is designed so that a novice can get near
 professional sound quality, but its not professional
 sounding. Its fruity loops and reason sounding. Thats the
 best way I can describe it.
 
 Just so I don't piss anyone off, one of my main pieces of
 software is fruityloops, so don't trip. I love it, you just
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         |  oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-09-17 00:16 [#00866407] Points: 4442 Status: Regular
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 | I'm not sold on reason. I think it is seriously 5 years too late.
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2003-09-17 00:36 [#00866426] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taxidermist: #00866404 | Show recordbag
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 | Nah, you can't tell a Reason track that easily...it is impossible because if you use Dr.Rex and Malstrom you can
 pretty much create any sound you want.
 
 The only areas for me that Reason falls down in are that
 there still aren't enough effects modules and the sequencer
 could do with a few improvements, on the flip side, even
 though I don't use it any more, I have never used a more
 solid music production platform.  Reason didn't crash on me
 once...no matter how much I fiddled with wiring in the back
 etc.  If they could maintain the stability, improve the
 sequencer a bit and allow VST effect plugins to be used I
 would go back to it like a shot.
 
 
 
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-17 04:50 [#00866796] Points: 7021 Status: Addict
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 | well thats right , but yoiu must remember that many of people here knows something about vst plugins and such - for
 many reason is reason  , fl is fl and they dont need any
 others plugins - ask on board - i doubt that there will be
 more than 30-40% of people who really knows about plugins ,
 midi , vst and such....
 
 
 
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         |  hyakusen
             from 8=============> on 2003-09-17 04:52 [#00866798] Points: 7021 Status: Addict | Followup to hyakusen: #00866796
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 | but yoiu must remember that many of people here doesn't know anything  about vst plugins and
 such  - this is what i wanted to say , for fuck sake
 
 
 
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