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offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-03 22:30 [#00849078]
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A man who took pictures of himself raping a 13 month old
baby was sentenced to just 5 years...

Fucking disgusting, made me feel sick just reading the news
article...I could quite happily torture that fucker to
death.

BBC News Story


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-09-03 22:32 [#00849081]
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"Just read a magazine that fucked up my day" -Jay-Z

no doubt..


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-03 22:34 [#00849084]
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i'm not even going to read it.

sometimes, just sometimes, despite all the freedoms I enjoy
about my country, I wish we had marshall law in cases like
this.

shoot dead and forget


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-09-04 00:37 [#00849128]
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obviously, the penalty is not nearly sever enough..
although, if it is being implied that he somehow deserves
more time for taking pictures of it all... i can't say that
i agree...
further, who says that death is the most suitable form of
torture for a vicious offender... i don't think that the
death penalty does anything for anyone under any
circumstance...

all the same... that's really messed up


 

offline faaip_de_oiad from Sirius (United States) on 2003-09-04 01:06 [#00849145]
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All he deserves is a fucking bullet in the head.


 

offline Glitch from New Zealand on 2003-09-04 01:07 [#00849147]
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yeah nasty.. . but lets not have this "scotlands fucked up"
attitude.. . could have happened anywhere.. . and no doubt
it does. ..


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-09-04 01:12 [#00849151]
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jesus christ man...


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-09-04 01:39 [#00849172]
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The man is obviously sick. JUST locking people up doesn't
deal with the problem, however long.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 02:47 [#00849193]
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"Taylor, a construction industry welder, was told by judge
Lord Reed he would have been jailed for much longer, if it
had not been for a psychologist's report assessing there was
only a low risk of him reoffending."

Pretty mad really. I mean surely the punishment should suit
the crime... why be leniant anyway? This twat's obviously
fucked in the head. Hopefully word will spread when he hits
the jail and some psycho will cut his jacobs off.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2003-09-04 03:42 [#00849212]
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Strange man. Yuk. What do you do with people like him?


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-09-04 03:45 [#00849215]
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Try and find out what drives people to commit such acts and
then try and change the conditions that give rise to such
behaviour.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-09-04 04:09 [#00849225]
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I love all your reactions - String 'im up ! 'Angings too
good for 'im ! put a bullet in 'is 'ead !

you sound like a bunch of working class scumbag factory
workers


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 04:12 [#00849230]
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I take it you'd invite him in for a cup of tea then suck the
shite off his cock then Paul.


 

offline WeaklingChild from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 04:13 [#00849232]
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the guys been all over the newspapers here for ages.....when
he gets out of prison, thats when he'll really start his
sentence.
he probably will get tortured to death.

as glitch said, it could have happened anywhere, tho....so
you can hardly blame scotland as a nation.....maybe our legl
system is fucked up...


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-09-04 04:15 [#00849234]
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all in a days work from him?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-09-04 05:19 [#00849270]
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yes yavo - I must of course do the OPPOSITE to those I
disagree with ! I would bring him fresh supplies of babies
everyday and develop the photoes myself and put them up on
www.fuckingbabies.com


 

offline japes from Suriname on 2003-09-04 05:27 [#00849272]
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apart from this instance, Scotland's legal system seems to
me to be in general a fucksight better than the English
legal system.

If it had been my baby, I would have killed him slowly and
enjoyed it, but I don't think that taking people's lives is
a solution to anything. No matter how much you want to
destroy his life, doing so is just lowering yourself to the
staus of a murderer, and also his suffering will continue
well into his life in whatever form it chooses to take.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2003-09-04 05:27 [#00849273]
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If it's not conditions that give rise to such acts what is
there then to change? His mind?


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-09-04 06:11 [#00849297]
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I think we should use chemical castration more frequently on
sex offenders. A significant proportion of convicted sex
offenders re-offend. By chemically castrating them, you
could really curb this problem.

I don't care about the "rights" of the convicted. The
victims have rights as well, and when push comes to shove,
the ones NOT raping and breaking the law should be
protected.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:09 [#00849404]
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they should've put him in regular prison, he'd be dead
inside a month. just look at the catholic priest pedophile
that got murdered recently in america.


 

offline wizards teeth from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:12 [#00849405]
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Turn him into a woman. With chemicals and Tools.


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-09-04 08:16 [#00849410]
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WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

You fucking hang em high yokels make me feel even more sick
than that story.

What's the big deal? The kid won't remember a thing about
it.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:18 [#00849413]
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hooray for teeth!


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-09-04 08:20 [#00849415]
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fucking disgusting.....how damn sick can one be?? :-\


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:21 [#00849419]
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Those of you who say this man is sick - I wonder if any of
you have entertained the thought that paedophilia may not be
a sickness, but more a socially unacceptable sexual
preference?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-04 08:25 [#00849426]
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The 6 year old will remember it...

I suppose in situations like these you feel differently if
you have children of your own. I didn't mean Scotland as a
nation was fucked up, I meant the judge we handed this
sentence was fucked up.

And Paul your first comment was just condescending and
stupid.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:27 [#00849428]
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I think he's a sick cunt, but not in the medical sense. This
fucker may be suffering from some sort of mental disorder as
well as having as you say "socially unacceptable sexual
preferences" but he's not fucking NORMAL is he? And don't
some smart cunt come in and say "Who's to say what normal
is" cause there might be all sorts of daft shit running
around in people's heads but some things are just plain
fucking taboo mun. Hang the cunt, televise it, make the
kid's mother the gallows operator, whatever.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-04 08:29 [#00849429]
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This story is more than just sexual preference, he took
pictures of himself doing it.

Would you justify rape as simply a sexual preference.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:29 [#00849430]
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Ahh yes, a kneejerk reaction, very persuasive :P


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:32 [#00849433]
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Oh I'm sorry. My rather heated reply obviously doesn't
appeal to your sympathetic ears. I suppose you'd like to
study his "disorder" and learn from it, so perhaps it can be
used to prevent further incidents. This guy is fucked and
deserves to die. My opinion, not kneejerk, just fucking
THERE.


 

offline uzim on 2003-09-04 08:35 [#00849436]
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wizards teeth > why? weird idea. ' _ -

who said human stupidity was infinite... i'm not that sure
stupidity is that big, it certainly isn't infinite - but for
sickness, i don't see any boundaries.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:36 [#00849437]
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Paedophilia and rape are natural things, but not ones that
are deemed socially acceptable in our society.

Saying a paedophile is sick (as in mentally ill) and needs
help gets us nowhere because there's no illness to cure.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:37 [#00849439]
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Where am I being sympathetic?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-04 08:41 [#00849446]
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Of course they are natural things. I think you will
actually find that the intense desire to have sex with a
child that has not reached sexual maturity is actually an
illness, it is not natural because human nature is to
procreate, something which the offender knows cannot happen
in this case.

It is deviant behaviour and taking advantage of those who
where in his care. There are many things currently deemed
socially unacceptable that I disagree with but this is not
one of them. The fucker deserved more than 5 years in
prison. There is no sentence harsh enough for him...the
same goes for everyone who behaves in the same way.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:42 [#00849447]
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OK, natural? It's not fucking natural to a sane human being,
it's natural to uncivilised beings like cavemen, animals or
people from Merthyr.



 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:42 [#00849450]
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Agree 100%


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:42 [#00849451]
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having sex with a sexually immature being that can not make
a free choice whether to copulate of their own will or not,
IS NOT RIGHT.

we aren't Salmon or turtles dood, and even they don't
reproduce till they are sexually mature........

don't be a wind up for wind ups sake


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-04 08:43 [#00849456]
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I can assume you don't have kids of your own. Imagine you
did, and you left them in the care of a friend only to find
he had been fucking them for jollys and selling the pictures
over the internet. I wonder just how tollerant and
understanding you would be to the behaviour then?


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:50 [#00849471]
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Where did I say it was right? I said it was 'socially
unacceptable'.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:53 [#00849481]
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"Paedophilia and rape are natural things, but not ones that
are deemed socially acceptable in our society."

that implies that they SHOULD be socially acceptable.



 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:55 [#00849483]
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I wouldn't be tolerant and understanding. I've never said
I'm tolerant and understanding towards paedophiles, y'all
just assumed I am because I said paedophilia was natural
behaviour.

See, society is based on the control and regulation of
natural behaviour through laws and social conventions. As a
society we deem paedophilia unacceptable and I have no
problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is people claiming paedophiles
are ill, because they're not. Hell, even the World Health
Organisation agrees on that.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:56 [#00849485]
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Erm, no. You're the one who assumed that's what I meant.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:58 [#00849489]
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There is something clearly wrong with them. I'm not the most
level headed person around, in fact madness is a close
fucking friend of mine and I revel in it, but there's some
stuff which is just outside the boundaries of behaviour I
cannot even contemplate, and I think any cunt who goes over
the line and decides to take up residence in kiddy knickers
is clearly missing a chromosome or two. Or something.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-04 09:03 [#00849503]
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But this isn't just about having a sexual preference towards
children. This person willingly inflicted pain on this
baby. This person also photographed himself in the act.
And you are trying to say that what he did is perfectly
normal, just socially unexceptable, behaviour?

You wouldn't happen to be a Scottish judge would you?


 

offline uzim on 2003-09-04 09:10 [#00849516]
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"I think you will actually find that the intense desire
to have sex with a child that has not reached sexual
maturity is actually an illness, it is not natural because
human nature is to procreate, something which the offender
knows cannot happen in this case."


> if you consider it an illness because of that (because it
is sex without procreating possibility), then homosexuality
would be an illness too (according to this logic)... as well
as oral sex or other things like that ' _ -


 

offline uzim on 2003-09-04 09:13 [#00849523]
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hell, danbrusca isn't taking the defense of the rapist at
all!!! it's the contrary even - if what he committed was due
to a sickness, he'd be a little less responsible for
it - whereas if it's NOT a sickness, he's totally
responsible!!


 

offline uzim on 2003-09-04 09:13 [#00849525]
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i.e., he'd need more severe punishment, not punishment and
"cure".


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-09-04 09:17 [#00849534]
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A paedophile is committing a crime though and he damn well
knows it. A lot of weird sexual preferences exist on this
planet. Some people like to shit in their partner's mouth
for example. In this case though, both persons agree with
it. With paedophilia however (REAL paedophilia, not the kind
where an 18-year-old has sex with a 17-year-old or
something), children obviously don't agree to be raped.
Imagine that you are a paedophile: you'd be fucking a little
girl who's screaming. Not ill??? I highly doubt it.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 09:17 [#00849535]
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Bingo.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 09:21 [#00849543]
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You're labelling behaviour as an illness because it's
unacceptable to you. This is an incorrect assumption. Most
of us find paedophilia unacceptable, that's why we have laws
against it, but I don't see why people want to label it as
an illness. It gains nothing to do so except a convenient
means to explain behaviour we don't properly understand.


 


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