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ecnadniarb
on 2003-09-03 22:30 [#00849078]
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A man who took pictures of himself raping a 13 month old baby was sentenced to just 5 years...
Fucking disgusting, made me feel sick just reading the news article...I could quite happily torture that fucker to death.
BBC News Story
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-09-03 22:32 [#00849081]
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"Just read a magazine that fucked up my day" -Jay-Z
no doubt..
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-09-03 22:34 [#00849084]
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i'm not even going to read it.
sometimes, just sometimes, despite all the freedoms I enjoy about my country, I wish we had marshall law in cases like this.
shoot dead and forget
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-09-04 00:37 [#00849128]
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obviously, the penalty is not nearly sever enough.. although, if it is being implied that he somehow deserves more time for taking pictures of it all... i can't say that i agree...
further, who says that death is the most suitable form of torture for a vicious offender... i don't think that the death penalty does anything for anyone under any circumstance...
all the same... that's really messed up
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faaip_de_oiad
from Sirius (United States) on 2003-09-04 01:06 [#00849145]
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All he deserves is a fucking bullet in the head.
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Glitch
from New Zealand on 2003-09-04 01:07 [#00849147]
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yeah nasty.. . but lets not have this "scotlands fucked up" attitude.. . could have happened anywhere.. . and no doubt it does. ..
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-09-04 01:12 [#00849151]
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jesus christ man...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-09-04 01:39 [#00849172]
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The man is obviously sick. JUST locking people up doesn't deal with the problem, however long.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 02:47 [#00849193]
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"Taylor, a construction industry welder, was told by judge Lord Reed he would have been jailed for much longer, if it had not been for a psychologist's report assessing there was only a low risk of him reoffending."
Pretty mad really. I mean surely the punishment should suit the crime... why be leniant anyway? This twat's obviously fucked in the head. Hopefully word will spread when he hits the jail and some psycho will cut his jacobs off.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2003-09-04 03:42 [#00849212]
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Strange man. Yuk. What do you do with people like him?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-09-04 03:45 [#00849215]
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Try and find out what drives people to commit such acts and then try and change the conditions that give rise to such behaviour.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-09-04 04:09 [#00849225]
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I love all your reactions - String 'im up ! 'Angings too good for 'im ! put a bullet in 'is 'ead !
you sound like a bunch of working class scumbag factory workers
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 04:12 [#00849230]
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I take it you'd invite him in for a cup of tea then suck the shite off his cock then Paul.
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 04:13 [#00849232]
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the guys been all over the newspapers here for ages.....when he gets out of prison, thats when he'll really start his sentence.
he probably will get tortured to death.
as glitch said, it could have happened anywhere, tho....so you can hardly blame scotland as a nation.....maybe our legl system is fucked up...
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-09-04 04:15 [#00849234]
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all in a days work from him?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-09-04 05:19 [#00849270]
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yes yavo - I must of course do the OPPOSITE to those I disagree with ! I would bring him fresh supplies of babies everyday and develop the photoes myself and put them up on www.fuckingbabies.com
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japes
from Suriname on 2003-09-04 05:27 [#00849272]
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apart from this instance, Scotland's legal system seems to me to be in general a fucksight better than the English legal system.
If it had been my baby, I would have killed him slowly and enjoyed it, but I don't think that taking people's lives is a solution to anything. No matter how much you want to destroy his life, doing so is just lowering yourself to the staus of a murderer, and also his suffering will continue well into his life in whatever form it chooses to take.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2003-09-04 05:27 [#00849273]
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If it's not conditions that give rise to such acts what is there then to change? His mind?
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-09-04 06:11 [#00849297]
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I think we should use chemical castration more frequently on sex offenders. A significant proportion of convicted sex offenders re-offend. By chemically castrating them, you could really curb this problem.
I don't care about the "rights" of the convicted. The victims have rights as well, and when push comes to shove, the ones NOT raping and breaking the law should be protected.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:09 [#00849404]
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they should've put him in regular prison, he'd be dead inside a month. just look at the catholic priest pedophile that got murdered recently in america.
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wizards teeth
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:12 [#00849405]
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Turn him into a woman. With chemicals and Tools.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-09-04 08:16 [#00849410]
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WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???
You fucking hang em high yokels make me feel even more sick than that story.
What's the big deal? The kid won't remember a thing about it.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:18 [#00849413]
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hooray for teeth!
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-09-04 08:20 [#00849415]
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fucking disgusting.....how damn sick can one be?? :-\
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:21 [#00849419]
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Those of you who say this man is sick - I wonder if any of you have entertained the thought that paedophilia may not be a sickness, but more a socially unacceptable sexual preference?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-09-04 08:25 [#00849426]
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The 6 year old will remember it...
I suppose in situations like these you feel differently if you have children of your own. I didn't mean Scotland as a nation was fucked up, I meant the judge we handed this sentence was fucked up.
And Paul your first comment was just condescending and stupid.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:27 [#00849428]
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I think he's a sick cunt, but not in the medical sense. This fucker may be suffering from some sort of mental disorder as well as having as you say "socially unacceptable sexual preferences" but he's not fucking NORMAL is he? And don't some smart cunt come in and say "Who's to say what normal is" cause there might be all sorts of daft shit running around in people's heads but some things are just plain fucking taboo mun. Hang the cunt, televise it, make the kid's mother the gallows operator, whatever.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-09-04 08:29 [#00849429]
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This story is more than just sexual preference, he took pictures of himself doing it.
Would you justify rape as simply a sexual preference.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:29 [#00849430]
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Ahh yes, a kneejerk reaction, very persuasive :P
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:32 [#00849433]
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Oh I'm sorry. My rather heated reply obviously doesn't appeal to your sympathetic ears. I suppose you'd like to study his "disorder" and learn from it, so perhaps it can be used to prevent further incidents. This guy is fucked and deserves to die. My opinion, not kneejerk, just fucking THERE.
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uzim
on 2003-09-04 08:35 [#00849436]
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wizards teeth > why? weird idea. ' _ -
who said human stupidity was infinite... i'm not that sure stupidity is that big, it certainly isn't infinite - but for sickness, i don't see any boundaries.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:36 [#00849437]
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Paedophilia and rape are natural things, but not ones that are deemed socially acceptable in our society.
Saying a paedophile is sick (as in mentally ill) and needs help gets us nowhere because there's no illness to cure.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:37 [#00849439]
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Where am I being sympathetic?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-09-04 08:41 [#00849446]
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Of course they are natural things. I think you will actually find that the intense desire to have sex with a child that has not reached sexual maturity is actually an illness, it is not natural because human nature is to procreate, something which the offender knows cannot happen in this case.
It is deviant behaviour and taking advantage of those who where in his care. There are many things currently deemed socially unacceptable that I disagree with but this is not one of them. The fucker deserved more than 5 years in prison. There is no sentence harsh enough for him...the same goes for everyone who behaves in the same way.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:42 [#00849447]
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OK, natural? It's not fucking natural to a sane human being, it's natural to uncivilised beings like cavemen, animals or people from Merthyr.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:42 [#00849450]
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Agree 100%
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:42 [#00849451]
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having sex with a sexually immature being that can not make a free choice whether to copulate of their own will or not, IS NOT RIGHT.
we aren't Salmon or turtles dood, and even they don't reproduce till they are sexually mature........
don't be a wind up for wind ups sake
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-09-04 08:43 [#00849456]
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I can assume you don't have kids of your own. Imagine you did, and you left them in the care of a friend only to find he had been fucking them for jollys and selling the pictures over the internet. I wonder just how tollerant and understanding you would be to the behaviour then?
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:50 [#00849471]
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Where did I say it was right? I said it was 'socially unacceptable'.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-09-04 08:53 [#00849481]
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"Paedophilia and rape are natural things, but not ones that are deemed socially acceptable in our society."
that implies that they SHOULD be socially acceptable.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:55 [#00849483]
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I wouldn't be tolerant and understanding. I've never said I'm tolerant and understanding towards paedophiles, y'all just assumed I am because I said paedophilia was natural behaviour.
See, society is based on the control and regulation of natural behaviour through laws and social conventions. As a society we deem paedophilia unacceptable and I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is people claiming paedophiles are ill, because they're not. Hell, even the World Health Organisation agrees on that.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:56 [#00849485]
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Erm, no. You're the one who assumed that's what I meant.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 08:58 [#00849489]
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There is something clearly wrong with them. I'm not the most level headed person around, in fact madness is a close fucking friend of mine and I revel in it, but there's some stuff which is just outside the boundaries of behaviour I cannot even contemplate, and I think any cunt who goes over the line and decides to take up residence in kiddy knickers is clearly missing a chromosome or two. Or something.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-09-04 09:03 [#00849503]
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But this isn't just about having a sexual preference towards children. This person willingly inflicted pain on this baby. This person also photographed himself in the act. And you are trying to say that what he did is perfectly normal, just socially unexceptable, behaviour?
You wouldn't happen to be a Scottish judge would you?
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uzim
on 2003-09-04 09:10 [#00849516]
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"I think you will actually find that the intense desire to have sex with a child that has not reached sexual maturity is actually an illness, it is not natural because human nature is to procreate, something which the offender knows cannot happen in this case."
> if you consider it an illness because of that (because it is sex without procreating possibility), then homosexuality would be an illness too (according to this logic)... as well as oral sex or other things like that ' _ -
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uzim
on 2003-09-04 09:13 [#00849523]
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hell, danbrusca isn't taking the defense of the rapist at all!!! it's the contrary even - if what he committed was due to a sickness, he'd be a little less responsible for it - whereas if it's NOT a sickness, he's totally responsible!!
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uzim
on 2003-09-04 09:13 [#00849525]
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i.e., he'd need more severe punishment, not punishment and "cure".
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-09-04 09:17 [#00849534]
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A paedophile is committing a crime though and he damn well knows it. A lot of weird sexual preferences exist on this planet. Some people like to shit in their partner's mouth for example. In this case though, both persons agree with it. With paedophilia however (REAL paedophilia, not the kind where an 18-year-old has sex with a 17-year-old or something), children obviously don't agree to be raped. Imagine that you are a paedophile: you'd be fucking a little girl who's screaming. Not ill??? I highly doubt it.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 09:17 [#00849535]
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Bingo.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-04 09:21 [#00849543]
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You're labelling behaviour as an illness because it's unacceptable to you. This is an incorrect assumption. Most of us find paedophilia unacceptable, that's why we have laws against it, but I don't see why people want to label it as an illness. It gains nothing to do so except a convenient means to explain behaviour we don't properly understand.
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