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what's your opinion on them? me, i personally find nothing more unwinding that sitting in front of a keyboard and improvising in the keys of C, D, F or G. Those are my favorites though I enjoy the others as well. It's even better when it comes out sounding good. Some of my best melodies have stemmed from this. I use a fractal midi generator named Oblivion on occasion, and sometimes I'll generate something that I enjoy. In fact, my Twinkle Monster track uses a fractal melody bit I generated with Oblivion. ANyways, thoughts? |
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what on earth are you talking about? |
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finally, somebody else who appreciates randomized music! i haven't used Oblivion, but i'd love to try it out. i have done a lot of randomized music experiments in the past with various programs. i used a fractal-based program twice over the last two years for two different albums. additionally, i just discovered a great program called MusiNum, which allows you to input numbers into the variables of a mathematical formula to create a multitude of patterns. i find it very easy to use and extremely useful, once you get the trick. it's midi-based and you can have as many voices as you want. i recorded a recent full-length album using this program. the one drawback with it is that it is very tricky to create user-scales. i really dig that atonal random music as well. |
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who were the 2 viennese brothers (maybe just friends) who had a heavy influence on atonal music? |
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Fractal music is not random. Also it doesn't take much talent to produce what is essentially noise. |
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Bring back Miffy... |
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proper noise music does in fact require talent. noise is just as valid as any other music. manipulating the sounds a computer outputs and telling it how to make those sounds (even when software does most of the work) also requires some talent. besides, who cares if someone making music has talent at all as long as the end result has something interesting in it? also, we have been discussing both random and fractal music. perhaps i was vague or inaccurate with those terms. |
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Listen to my latest track and tell me what you think then if you like random sounds, even though it isn't all that random people seem to think it is. I would actually really value your opinion on it. |
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psychobabble - this track is excellent! it's very dense and there are a lot of things going on at once, but there's also a definite "heartbeat" to it. i can't tell - how much of this is in fact random? i really like this track just the way it is - it's hard to imagine any changes would make it better. it's great how it's short and concise - i'm very into that with music. and it also sounds like there's alot of subtle, implied melodies. i'm impressed. have you done any more like this? |
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oddioblender - can we hear the track you were referring to in your first post? "Twinkle Monster"? |
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Thanks for listening. It is alcually the first track of that kind I have done. What I did was set out a defined pattern for the track then randomised around that pattern. Basically so that although there is a level of randomisation it is around events rather than the whole (if that makes sense). Then I went back in and tweeked aspects of it to get it sounding the way I wanted it :D |
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Twinkle Monster you can get from the download section of I'm sure he won't mind be promoting his music in his absence :D I am gonna have another listen to it myself. |
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i still dont understand. Keys of C,D,F, & G? would that defeat the purpose of having Atonal music... as in no TONAL center? |
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Don't get hung up on terms...It's not hard to understand what he was getting at, even if it was incorrect terminology. :D |
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no, I really dont understand what he is trying to say |
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*sighs he means pressing those shiny white buttons on his keyboard at random to create melodies |
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Improvisational piano playing is the lick. |
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if youre good at it, that is pressing random keys just sucks, imho |
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Then you're not doing it right. |
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psychobabble is awesome. It shreminded me a bit of a track that used to be at www.mp3.com/ouchbot (beer belly track) |
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Thanks mister :D I was hoping you would listen to it because I knew out of everyone here you would be the one who would understand where I was coming from :D!!! |
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*tries to look distinguished and snooty as the one who would understand where you were coming from* Do you do the randomization by hand (by mouse) in some software program, or do you have some software program that does the randomization by itself. (The latter would be much more useful if you could control exactly what you wanted it to logically do... autechre must surely use something like this or their thumbs would fall off from too much clicking) Also, what things were randomized... position, pitch, volume... I'd have to listen to it again. |
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(or pointer fingers rather- not thumbs unless they fashioned SNES joypads as mouses) |
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It is actually randomisation of everything based around individual events. Basically I create multiple copies of the same drum hit and slightly offset them from each other, then move these into different positions, blah blah blah...it is really quite tedious, but I liked the final result :D |
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I meant randomly playing within those keys - i've done atonal before, but fractals within keys - fractals CAN be within key right? sorry for the confusion. |
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i write most of my atonals on oblivion... i really typed that wrong. sorry, zeus - thanks for pointing that out. :D |
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I made my own version of "fractal melodies" like this: 1) play, say 4 evenly spaced notes (say, c,g,d#,f 2) now space these out X4 like this: c___g___d#___f___ 3) now take the basic "geometry" of the "cgd#f", shrink it in length so it can fit in each of those gaps, and raise it semitone by semitone (not discriminating between white and black keys) until the "c" is equal to the key of the larger scaled c, g, d#, or f. or something. |
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well on oblivion, you basically choose variable (numbers) what keys/notes/octaves it may hit, the scale type and harmonics if you want any. |
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this is a very interesting topic.. i'll have to check out those programs.. nice work guys.. |
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it's very refreshing experimentation to be sure. |
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