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ok I have my doubts. some of you shall know what E.T.A is. ok, in spain we have diferent regions, one of these: the vasque country, is always wanting independence, well, at least half (51%) of its population vote for independentists political parties. the problem is that this terrorist group (E.T.A) is always killing people all around spain in the name of independence. there is a political party here in spain which is like the political side of this terrorist group (batasuna) they have diputees and all that, they are a "normal" political option, but the truth is that they are on the side of terrorism, they help E.T.A all the time... the problem is that central goverment in spain has made this party (Batasuna) Illegal... and I have my doubts this is democratic.. is it democratic to forbid a political party, because it helps and cheers the terrorists (there are proves about this)? |
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batasuna (and eta) acuse central goverment of being fascist for this |
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two wrongs certainly don't make a right. but it sounds a bit questionable .. what is the government like in spain? ie. does banning the batasuna = lots of empty seats in parliament??? |
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i mean. . i don' tknow enough about the specific situation, but it always seems dangerous "banning" people vs "condeming" people .. sounds like they jumped on this "terrorist" band-wagon. |
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batasuna is just 1 or 2 people in the parlament... but the problem is: whenever eta kills a person they never react against the murder, on contrary they cheer it. how can a democratic party help the terrorists? but is it democratic to illegalize them? its difficult to know whats wrong and right |
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Well, Azna's got a bloody cheek. While I don't believe terrorism to be the correct route to achieving independence (if the majority want it), Azna supported the state terrorism of Bush and Blair. Those bastards have killed more than ETA and for greed and power, not independence. |
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you think ETA has any right for what they do? (just asking) I hate aznar btw |
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I don't know much about ETA, only that they want independence for the Basque region. If the majority in that region vote for independence then I believe they should have it. However, terrorist bombings are counter productive. They change nothing, alienate the people from their cause and allow the establishment to become more repressive. ETA end up substituting themselves and their actions for the Basque people. That is undemocratic and not what I would support. And of course I don't believe in the indiscriminate killing of innocent people. But for Aznar and the goverment to ban Batasuna is hypocritical. |
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about 51% of vasque pòpulation voted for an independentant option in the last elections... but that was not a referendum for independence, it was the elections for the vasque goverment. I think that 51 would be smaller if the elections were to get the independence... |
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Why do ETA want independence? |
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long story. Spain is kind of an old invention... but at the end an artificial invention... in 14xx Isabel and fernando (reyes catolicos) got married joining castilla and aragon crowns, and that was the begining of Spain as a country, with the inclusions of navarra´s kingdom (where now part of it is the vasque region) and others. since then they were considered spanish this is since 500 years ago. above all since the late 1800s vasque country had problems with central goverment of spain, and the first independentists appeared. but it was with franco´s dictatorship that there was a huge repression in the vasque region, forbidding the vasque language and lots of things... you know how dictatorships are... so in the late 60´s young vasque students begun some radical activity to fight for their independence... franco was really cruel and repressive with this first radical actions... but since franco died, the vasque country has gained lots of rights and autonomy, but still they kill people... they want independence as 500 years ago when spain didnt exist. they didnt even exist then as the vasque country, they were part of navarra´s kingdom. one thing: franco died in 1975. since then spain is a democracy, and Aznar is the president since 1996, but from 1982 to 1996 the social party of spain (psoe) were the governors, and even then ETA was killing lots of people. so I know Aznar is a son of a bitch, but he´s been here for the last 8 years... and spain has been free the last 28 years is there really a reason to kill? |
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No, no reason as far as I can see. I read that ETA were a point around which people could resist Franco and the dictatorship. On the subject of Franco. I heard that the subject of the cicil war is being dragged up again as people are demanding the right to bury their relatives who were buried in mass graves. And that a popular book (I forget the name) kickstarted it all. Is that right? |
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