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How good is this program? It's practically all I need to make music! Anyone else got this? What do you think? |
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No, there is no VSTi spport, so its CRAP !! |
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It rocks dude i totally agree! |
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No but you can use it as vst which is the same difference. |
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VST doesn't really matter to me. Most stuff that you can do with VSTs are already in Reason. That's why I like it. It's exceptionally stable as well. I've really tried punsihing it and it's never fallen down or me or slowed to halt. It's a brilliantly optimised program. I keep discovering new things all the time. Skink: You da man baby. You da man! |
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the promise of rewire is pretty good .. tho haven't got it working yet :/ it is a well phat program ... the routing etc. is magic. some mint features for reason3 would be Midi Out and Audio In .. |
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I've been using Reason since 1.0 and dig it. So fun and instant. It's a bit of a bitch to be continually exporting into wavelab to use VST's but hey it works for me. The new vocoder and sound destruction unit in 2.5 are rather fun. But how awesome are the subtractive synths! I love it because it is basically visual representations of real instruments and you can screw with re-routing cables in the back. The absence of an audio in is a pain. I heard a deal went down between propellerhead and steinberg on that one! Check out: http://www.reasonstation.net/ |
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I haven't tried that yet. I will in the near future though. cie jiks mawp: Thanks for the link. I have to agree with you on that destruction unit. It's something else. |
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ive typed it shit loads of times and i dont get bored of it reason 2.5 and sound forge 6.0 you can create anything (music/noise wise) |
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I've done a few tracks entirely in it, but for some reason (no pun intended) I find it hard to "finish" tracks in it. I must have over 50 started tracks that aren't bad enough to abandon, but which I can't seem to finish either. My main use of the program at the moment is just to make loops that I then sequence in fruity loops and Ableton Live. It's also very handy for learn about connection hardware and midi/cv. The Malstrom synth is fantastic- some excellent sounds that you simply can't get with any other synths and the subtractor wins my "most versatile all round synth" award. |
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You ain't got the skills buddy :P |
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mmm i find its good for begginers, and can work well for nonbegginers as well... but I really dont like it much anymore... the sounds are very weak in comparison to other softsynths you can get. Also, reason kind of takes alittle bit of the low end out of things... but I mean, for the price, its great... you get alot... its just not top notch... |
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Pffft! Did you even use it fully? Seriously. At first glance it seems so confusing. Then you use it a bit and it's piss easy. Then you start to think that it's a bit limited. Then you become more inventive with it and the sounds you get are incredible. I've created sounds that I don't know how to use. They just sound incredible. |
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agreed |
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i used it exclusivly for over a year now im using logic, with emagic plugins, and csound im sorry, but reason doesnt even come close in sound quality. |
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*and the redrum drum samples are really crap... |
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Hmmmmm, well I suppose everyone's deserved their opinion but I'm just amazed that you think it's a beginners program. Tell Mr. Vibert that! I haven't used them yet. I think.... :$ I can agree with you on csound :D nobsmuggler: *high five baby!* |
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i think its a great begginers program, cause like you said... first it seems hard, but then you realize its not. so once begginers get over that first hurdle, they can start understanding, and making some decent sounding stuff. Also, its wide variety of functions, works well as kind of a crash course intro into synthesis/production. But like I said, its not just for begginers. I used it for over a year, exclusively. I was doing all my writing on hardware (synth, 2 drum machines) and I just found the lack of sound editing a pain in the ass. So when i got reason ,it was like w00t! I can edit almost everything! But, there is much more quality things out there. Oh, and im not a big vibert fan. No hate or anything... just not my shindig |
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booya right back at ya *screams and whoops like an american at a pep rally* |
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"im sorry, but reason doesnt even come close in sound quality. " Is it true that you can improve the sound quality by running reason in a better host environment like cubase? I've not tried this and I was wondering if this was worth doing. On the subject of sound quality, my only quibble is relating to mastering in it- I find EQing a bit trial and error as it never seems to sound as good rendered as it does playing live. I must admit, more than once I've resorted to playing a track on it and recording it off direct to disk using wavelab, then trimming it etc. there. How are you finding logic by the way? I've still not had a chance to listen to your csound track, which I'd like to as I'm also learning it at the moment- I'm at the stage where I can use it to create "parts" for use in tracks, but not whole tracks. The past couple of days I've been getting into SuperCollider. Looks a little bit more user friendly than csound, and almost as low end. Giginger- good point re: the "limited barrier" I also got a bit fed up of reason (1) after a couple of months. It was largely due to my rather repetitous method of working with it though. I read a few topics on it here (including the notorious Hexagonal Dope's tips) and they gave me some more ideas. Now I've done some crazy stuff using the routing on it. |
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zeus who knows best. reason is a great program, well versatile (of course reaktor, csound, max/msp is even MORE versatile), .. but that doesn't mean you can't make class music with it! giginger: i'm afraid jah cannae do it yet :/ you can however load vocal samples into either sampler, and route that thru the vocoder ... but no live mc'ing yet :/ |
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ceri, there's a thing on the propellerhead site .. on mastering, in the exploring reason section. ifyou want to finish tracks in reason format, you can hook up master out to 3 vocoders on equalizer and compressors (via spider audio) - that way you can have a 3 band compressor. not perfect, but cleans things up a tinge. nothing wrong with a bit of post production tho .. |
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ceri: Hmmm, I havnt heard anything about making the sound better by useing it in a host program... worth looking into. and yeah, ive notice on mixdown, it sounds somewhat different, as well... I love logic. It can run slow from time to time, but its quickly solved with the freeze function. But yeah, Im loving it. I have 2 csound tracks right now... I got one that was designed, and sequenced in csound, and one that was just made rendering samples from the csound catalog (presets basically) and sequenced in Reason (haha, I dont have a sampler for Logic yet, im waiting for kontakt in OSX, so I had to use reason for the sampler!) Havnt used supercollider... Im working on trying to recreate one of my old songs I did in reason, in csound. Not like, exact same sounds... but close. I want the pureness that csound has in its sound. It might be a long task though... (as I also want to sequence it in csound... i think ill go through my original file, and write out all the notes, and calculate the time, in seconds, instead of beats, that the notes are played... yes this will be a bitch! :-D |
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa Re-routing in Reaosn is the best fun. Sending the left channel off to one effect and the right off to another is quality fun. Mad effects that way. |
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Oh man! Not live Mc-ing. I may cry. I'll live though. |
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hey gig, one thing I did in reason, to get some nice glitchy beats, (sorry if you already tried this) is run the redrum into the malstrom. Then, run a matrix into various inputs in the back (as you see fit) and make a rhythmic pattern on the matrix. Also, automating the waveform on the mod 1 and mod 2, on the malstrom.... picking different wave forms very quickly. you can get some cool results. |
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im working on a random noise generator for reason i have a good structure for it just not the final touches (polishing) |
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I'll give that a whirl. I haven't looked at the Matrix Pattern thingymajib yet. It's on my list of things to learn in there. I'm going through it piece by piece so that I don't do too much at one time. I'm ginger and don't want to confuse myself. |
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yeah .. will have to hold back from unabashed 80s synth pop for a while :) .. |
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I'd like to have a go with that when you've done. Please. Thank you. Pardon me. I created a noise track in Reason. It was well fun. I'll put it up tonight. |
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Hell no! That's the first port of call. 80's synth rules with an iron fist. |
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ill send it to you if you want to have a go with it see what you can do send an email to my public address |
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Done :D |
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has anyone played with that new "project 5" thing? by cakewalk I think... well, one things for sure, reason has spawned a new trend... the all in one program. |
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The package looks nice.... |
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Cheers for the routing of the master into the vocoders tip, I'd not considered that. Exactly the kind of innovative routing I was talking about :) Zeus- good tip re: the glitchy drums- I've done something similair using rex files and synths, I keep the relationship of time, but change the spacing scale and note pitch/duration. A good way of getting nice slightly off tempo basslines out of the subtractor. |
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additonally, for a little more spice, you can hook up a matrix, (or more then 1) to the pitchs of the redrum, to add a little variation.... but not too much, cause then it will just be crazy all over the place (unless you want that), but if used mildly, it just gives it alittle more spice. |
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Got it mate. I'll check it when I get home. Cheers. |
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Yep- I've found a good way to "naturalise" the sound of something as though an actual musician was playing it is to try to draw a flat line freehand on it at roughly the point you want that parameter to be at, it will always be slightly off and add that slight variation. Doing this on a couple of parameters at the same time, each with a different loop duration (eg say 13 rather than 16 or 25 rather than 32) helps stops this variance from being too linear. |
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:) yes, thats a good tip! im taking an advanced midi class this fall... my friend is in it now... one of the projects is to sequence a piano piece, and make it sound real... so like, you have to go in, and displace the beats abit, (subtle!) to add a human feel, and velocity etc, and reverbs, and slight tempo changes in the file etc... a good amount of work, but a good thing to learn to do, and apply to tracks |
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Best of luck with that, I've tried that with one of my own piano pieces (as someone hasn't played it for me on a real piano yet ;) and the only tip I can really give is don't overdo it on the tempo variance- zoom in as far as you can and only alter it minute amounts- if you overdo it it sounds like a complete novice is playing it and having to look for the keys... |
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thanks for the tip! :) |
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Good subtle hint there mate. I'll try and get round to that soon. :DDDDDDDd Promise. |
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It's fucking great mate. I loved it. I'l have fun with it :D |
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ta very much |
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I slave my Reason to Ableton's Live. You have the luxury of VST effects that way. Plus its really simple to record loops you may be playing around with in Reason. |
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