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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-26 11:15 [#00794538]
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just bought this little box of fun. Very nice sounds, havin alot of fun with it.
anyone else bought any hardware latelyme??
seems to give a new lease of life to music making too, i've been needing to get my hands on some decent beats for a while and my output has gone up 1000%.
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-07-26 11:21 [#00794549]
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Last thing I bought was a WaveStation. Always gives me a massive buzz to have some new gear to play with - Am trying to save up for an Analog Systems modular synth... with custom EMS Synthi filters! *drool*
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-26 11:33 [#00794555]
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top range gear is just fantasy land really for me. dunno about youse but the high end gear seems to be available to people who are allready signed or actual studios with money to spend.
i do like it though that having to make do with the gear you've got pushes you to get the best from what you've got.
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-07-26 11:53 [#00794574]
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Yeah, the modular synth is still a bit of a dream for me at the moment!
I'm a mastering engineer by day, so I can sort of justify buying lots of music gear.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-26 11:58 [#00794579]
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was looking at that new Moog Voyager in the shop, unbeleivable, fantasy world.
and also this signed Moog Theramin, great fun, but a fortune to buy.
must be fun sittin in a studio with all that shit around you just waiting to be fiddled with.
whats involved in the mastering? are you deleting certain frequencies before it goes to a master track??
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-07-26 12:08 [#00794586]
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I'd love a Moog Voyager too! I don't actually have too much gear at the moment, just the odd module and a few analog synths.
Mastering's just something I got into pretty recently - I'll get sent a finished studio mix (usually on CDR these days) and process it so it's all radio friendly, so the whole album sits well together, and so you can get nice loud recording levels.
Just like a fresh pair of ears really, touching up EQ... It's quite a cool job - Gives me a lot of spare time to get on with my own music.
The gear we use at the mastering studio is stupidly expensive though!
I've been using a £20,000+ compressor today, hehe.. and it looks like it was built down my local garage.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-26 12:14 [#00794595]
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sounds a great job so even no matter how good you think your tunes are theres allways something that needs sorting out?
its weird that a tune just needs a touch of that 20 grand compressor just to make it right. i mean is the difference that big?
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-07-26 12:22 [#00794601]
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Well, in all honesty, no... it's not 20x better than a £1,000 valve compressor - It's just that every mastering studio has to try and have the best equipment money can buy.
It's just that mastering engineers are VERY anal about these things!
Good mastering is actually pretty subtle on the whole - But there's just some ultra-technical stuff that a typical musician/producer wouldn't want to be worrying about.
The main thing for dance producers is that they need their track, maybe done entirely digital in Logic, to sit well next to another track, maybe done in another country using all analogue gear...
So in dance music we'd quite often use filters to split a track into bass, mid-range and top-end, and process them all separately, then mix them back together - So you get this sort of pumped up sound... And because everyone tends to use pretty similar valve gear and pretty standard settings and levels, everything should sit well together on a mix or on a radio show.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-26 12:34 [#00794606]
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so it must cost alot to even get to the stage of having your tunes mastered in such a detailed way. what would it cost for me to turn up with what i think is a finished mix of 3 or 4 tunes to be mastered for vynil production?
and i know what you mean about the anality side of things, you can really lose yourself in tightening things up that you lose the original tune.
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-07-26 13:34 [#00794628]
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The cost would really depend on how much time/work you wanted on it (usually charged by the hour).
We really do what is called pre-mastering when it comes to vinyl - So our studio would do all the polishing to your mix, and then you'd have to use a specialist vinyl pressing place to actually get them cut... That's a whole other art form, things like cutting needle heat and friction, and all sorts of bazzar techincal things!
Probably around £120 for a basic master on a single... But would really have to hear the original recordings first to get an idea of time and things.
You can pay a LOT more if you want quite a bit of work doing - But simple mastering can work out quite cheap.
A commercial release may easily cost a few £thousand+ to get mastered properly.
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