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no wait, i saw this documentairy a few months ago about ASH, alt.suicide.holiday, where people could talk about it without being judged, this actually stopped a lot of users. so you should be careful with judging: i think it's not too helpful to say to someone who's suicidal he's selfish, that won't do to much good |
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also, since it's good not to see the fun side in everything, i'd like to quote seinfeld on the subject: i can't understand people who try to commit suicide but don't succeed and leave it at that, while you just found another thing you suck at |
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to see the fun side!, damnit, i suck at everything |
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my aunt tried to commite suicide twice.. failed both times |
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that's not fun, sorry |
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Sorry to hear that :( Is she OK now? |
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we all do at some point. |
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i love life, it sucks sometimes, but there is always tomorrow your not just living your life, others die if you do. |
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but what is a person who commits an act that you deem selfish, but selfish? This isn't necessarily so. For example somebody who kills another person while suffering from mental problems (eg. schizophrenia) isn't a murderer, they commited the crime without really knowing what they were doing. This to me is an act of murder, but the person cannot be classed as a murderer in my eyes as it was something they would not have done had they not been suffering from a mental illness. You may not agree with my views but I think they are justified :D |
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Down with altruism! Up with selfishness! |
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in my opinion, the most respectable action one can take when encountering a suicidal friend, is to let them know you'll be there if they need someone to talk to. otherwise, the mere action of trying to make the suicidal feel guilty can make things worse. |
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Suicide is week I find. If you want to do it just do it but your being a retard for so many reasons. First people usally kill them selves cause they want a SENCE OF RELIEF. Guess what ? When your dead you can't feel relief ... your dead. WORM FOOD. Wouldnt you rather see your problem resolved? There are solutions to everything. I mean if someone is making you depressed why should you kill YOURSELF. Leave a hugeshit on the hood of their car or something. Being depressed is mega normal. You eventually get over it. I just got a call from my buddies mom yesterday, apparently he did a mess of Heroin and tried killing himself. Hes all fucked up in the hospital right now and cant have visitors. I blame it on a chick he liked. Girls can be fucking evil : ) What I usally do is if something makes me overly happy or there is something really cool that I like I write it down. When Im really fucking out there depressed I go to my list of stuff to do and I always forget about all the shit Im mad about. |
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I'm sorry to inform you, oxygenfed, but given the alarming number of spelling and syntax errors I had to give up reading your post after the second sentence. |
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Cool avatar. |
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ME fail englush thats unpossable ?! |
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Im going to go kill myself now mappatazee : ( Poor me. |
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I think thinking that suicide is dumb is ignorant.. obviously. I mean.. if you can't understand it, who are you to say it is dumb. |
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How do you know suicide is smart? Have you successfully tried it? |
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*Feeds himself to a starving tiger* |
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I don't think suicide is smart or dumb. It is what it is.. |
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I mean if someone is making you depressed why should you kill YOURSELF. Leave a hugeshit on the hood of their car or something. This shows that you don't know what brings a person to suicide at all. |
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I think its smart. Everyone should do it. Orrrrrrrr I think its dumb. People should find a way around it. |
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I don't believe it has anything to do with intellegence. I am pro-choice. If an individual feels he/she needs to do this.. and actually achieves it, then that is that. |
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Because you know me that well don't you mappatazee ? Anyway someone once said, fighting on a message boards is like running in the special Olympics, No matter if you win or lose your still a retard. I'll go back to my cave. |
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If you want to express yourself more clearly, then go ahead and do so, but that's what I pulled out of your previous post, since that's all I had to go on. |
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not everything in this world of decision-making necessarily follows a 'good' or 'bad', 'right' or 'wrong' path. and yes, it seems to make more sense that if you haven't experienced that which you cannot understand or fathom, then you probably should learn 'about' it instead of passing quick judgements 'towards' it. :) |
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Sometimes it is better to be dead. |
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Yeah, like in the midst of a migraine uhhg |
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i'm inclined to give oxygenfad some slack. because actually people who want to commit suicide should generally not do it: there is light at the end of the tunnel most of the time. a lot of suicides (or attempts) are done to easily, only when your chronically ill or depressed, should it be an option. that is why i dont like the too easy use of the term pro-choice: the person concerned is not in too much of an riliable state to make that choice on his own, thats why i adhere the listen/normal conversation approach. furthermore i dont want to blame oxygenfed for a somewhat naive approach to the subject: the relief aspect makes some sense, and crapping on a hood of a car therefor too. |
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gonna go kill me now. good night everyone. |
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i killed myself earlier today. it wasn't what i expected. |
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there really is no need to kill yourself because you're going to die at some point in the future anyway or there really is no need to carry on living because you're going to die at some point in the future anyway hmm |
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When I get depressed I kill animals and eat them. |
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I like Suicide the group, they've done some nice things. Actual suicide is neither here 'nor there in the grand scheme of things. |
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echnadniarb, the act you described yourself as the preferable choice to suicide for you, of killing "as many other people" as possible before being taken down or taking yourself down is infinitely more selfish than a suicide on its own. Yet go and use the selfishness of the act of suicide as your primary attack on it. I for one share the view that it is a very selfish thing to do, it hurts those the "suicider" (as george dubya would call him...ugh) leaves behind in this world. Your words are sick and disturbing. |
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Have you ever done something you are 'not supposed to do'? |
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what's really scary is people wanting to kill themselves when they are in a better state of life than your own. |
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being clean is feeling good, and feeling good is important |
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who is in a 'better state of lile' than you? |
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well, that's subjectivity for you. |
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*zen* Well I've thought about suicide a lot.. like if I will ever do it, how, where, and when. It still is my... "back up plan" so to speak. I am a really fucked up person. I don't feel like a real person most of the time. I can't say what WAS wrong with me, if anything. But I used to be full of inward and outwardly directed hate I think. Now I'm in a second phase of life where everything has changed for the better, but I'm left with a hollow shell for a self. My life now is just entirely empty and pointless and full of surrogate activity such as posting here. Since I've entered this second more stress free phase, my plan for suicide has changed. I'll probably just keep existing in this pointlessness and then only commit suicide when I'm like, 60 or 70. It's gotta be better than old age. I also want to die among nature, not be put through the same industrial process the majority of the civilized dead go through. A terrible thing is when someone's pet dies and they throw it in the trash. It's dead and can't feel I suppose, but it just seems sickly disrespectful. Well I've since researched the way I would use if I ever did: a .44 mag with a hollow tip shot into my brain from the side. It's quite scary but I think I might eventually do it (when I'm 60-70). |
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now.. what to do in the meantime.. |
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What you describe is a matter of aesthetics really. I think you should try to view thing a little more objectively. You really have convinced your self that post-industrial civilisation isn't a part of nature.... well it is...it is a part of nature and nature gave birth to it. Just accept things for what they are... |
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familiarity depresses me much more than alienation ever will. the premise of fate and predictability and therefore loss of control is uncomfortable if thought about too deeply. i think most erratic behaviour can be explained by this thinking, although unfortunately a reaction to an action becomes as predictable and you can spend years bouncing around wondering where the fuck you are or you should be. conditioned reponse and instinct can be controlled somewhat by creating your own time, forcing boredom on yourself if necessary. |
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that is true.. humans are part of nature, therefore the society we have created is part of nature, including all the cars and buildings and bukkake and Hitler and gameshowhosts and Marilyn Monroe etc. etc. |
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And a post nuclear wasteland is actually nature laughing back at us (unless we have colonies in cassiopeia-we are the ones to laugh then). |
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That's an insightful comment. I've thought about the natural and the artificial a lot. The latter has lineage in the former, so from one paradigm they are the same. But I frankly feel ill programmed for this environment. This makes sense because my genes were selected for an environment that is long gone. Or maybe this is a delusional excuse to cover for the ill life that I have wrought upon myself. I seem to love animals and their way of life before the human catalyst, or similar catalyst for life on a different planet. I don't know what I think. I'm done. |
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And Phil Collins |
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el oh el... |
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I think you really should move to Montana. I guess in a small town near the woods. I think you will find peace there. |
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