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and now what? |
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and now saddam makes it even more personal, organizes a terrorist attack the US calls it unprovoked, and nukes the mid east. apocalypse follows |
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nacmat´s first reaction to zeus´s post: LOL nacmat´s second reaction to zeus´s post: :C |
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Key's reaction to nacmats post: =( Key's second reaction: ... |
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good, those bastards are dead! |
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nacmat´s reaction to key_Secret´s post: dont think I am glad, I was just a blittle uncuncious the first second, then I realized how sad that was |
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July 26, 2003 -- Bush's daughters found "mysteriously" murdered, Iraqis and citizens of countless other countries rejoice over the symbolic victory |
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well, nobody deserves death, not even murderers as they were. I think a jury would have made a wise decision on what penalty they deserved (excluding death penalty of course) |
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20 rounds apiece. |
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very well used sarcasm |
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GOD! I guess a pic of saddam himself might follow. but I thnk it's disgusting. Those bodies are used as a trophy. makes me sick. |
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I don't know, I'm not a perfect person... I have a hard time not feeling good when people like this die... |
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eep ! That shocked me a bit, maybe you should have posted a link instead nacmat =os |
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yeah, there was NO reason to show thier bodies... if Iraq show pictures of dead american soliders, we would call them ruthless barbarians |
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I agree supreme. |
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damn everytime I post I have to see that damn pic... hehe [Newest messages first!] anyway; Nobody deserves to die, being murdered by wrong people. I do agree on that in some situations people deserve to be punished, in different ways. But not by any goverment or state. And not in any war. War can never be justified. But if somebody would rape my mom, I would do something terrible to this person because I know if he does a thing like this it will take forever for him to regret it and I would be so caught up in the moment of anger and hate. If it is personal - it's a whole different thing... |
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sorry pOgO... now that I think it, I feel stupid for posting it. |
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well... I think you should show EVERYTHING from war. War is not censored for the people who experience it - and it should not be comfortable for us just to see censored footage from the war. War sucks ass, can never be justified, and everybody aphatic enough to say yes to war needs to see much more worse things than this. |
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yes, but this wasnt about informing the public... it was just a victory cry really... bathing in our glory. pffft |
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i actuall don't object to their assassination (or incidental killing as it's being portrayed) as they did some horrible, unforgivable things. what i do object to is how people are treating this, which is very myopic. |
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yeah you're right... I just wanted to say what I said, but perhaps it seemed like I misread your post, in that context. |
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no probs hun xxxxx |
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It's so refreshing to hear these points of view. It's hopeful to see the opinions that many of you have expressed on topics such as these. :) |
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what the fuck? these photos have been edited in photoshop. this is the first time ive seen them. please tell me these are not the official photos being released by the us government.. can a graphic artist in here back me up? these are bad fakes. any one got a link to a higher res image and ill see if i can pinpoint any anomolies. |
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I think this is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' issue. According to the news over here, the Iraqi people wanted proof of the deaths. But conspiracy theorists will believe whatever they want to believe, so it doesn't really matter in the end. |
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They look like badly handled potatoes. And anyone who takes offence at that - well up yo bum. |
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true. They wanted the pictures,and I think they had the right to see them, but the way the bodies are 'presented' is soooo wrong. They look like pigs , not like humans. at least they could have cleaned up the blood, dress them or cover their bodies up, somehow and put them in an other context. or better..a cleaner context. this is humiliating. and even more humiliating with every copy of these pictures there is made, with every person who sees the pictures. Pomme, what is photoshopped about them? |
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I totally agree with your point about their presentation, though. |
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i dissagree that they are photoshopped. in these most recent photographs uday had a lot of makeup placed on him to make him look more as he did before he was blown to shit by the apache helicopters. the original photographs were very gruesome, and his face was very disfigured. after traumatic deaths bodies almost always swell. and i'd classify the way they were killed as traumatic. i don't think they've been photoshopped. however the gov't has openly altered uday's face because of his injuries. |
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pomme de terre - im a graphic design graduate.. if photoshop was used or any other manipulation program for that photo, they did a damn good job.. otherwise i believe thats the real thing. |
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Dunno mind, look at the nearest head in relation to the body |
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the bottom line is that it doesn't make a lick of difference... killing a few evil celebrities isn't going to take the steam out of the movement beneath them... it really puzzles me how important it is to americans (in CNN polls) that Saddam be dead, that his sons be dead... since we've established that iraq wasn't about to kill every last american woman and child with the massive arsenal of weapons they don't have, the whole new reason for going to war was to liberate the iraqi people ("uh... yeah that's what we've been saying all along... nevermind all our fearmongering about nukes... this was always the real reason...")... so now that Saddam has no power over his people.... it really shouldn't matter whether we get his bloody corpse or not... he's an extravagant fellow, he's gonna retire where he can live out his days writing epic poems about the deposed sun king of iraq... he isn't gonna run around wichita stabbing babies with blunt scissors... |
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it's tough because they needed a regime change badly and yet our track record for designating new dictators is attrocious. |
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i see what you mean it looks like plastic i saw some other more fucked up pics of these two and one looked is if he had put a bullit through his mouth trying to kill himself |
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the way i understand it (through my brainwashed sheep of an american mind) is that these people were unthinkably brutal. and that for the past 30 or so years they have been terrorizing the people of that country in every way possible. the people of the region (and increasingly, the world) have a deep distrust of america and anything it claims. the point of showing the bodies was to convince the iraqi people that this regime is in fact not going to return. that would also be the reason for finding saddam. my guess is that it's only a small fraction of people that are fighting for the 'hussein' regime, the others are fighting on the grounds that they are not in favor of u.s. control on their soil. proving that the saddam regime is gone is meant to remove the fear that they inspired in the people, by showing that they are gone... whether it'll be successful is yet to be seen. |
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the UN needs to reassert itself with a multinational security force... a very large force with a peacemaking mandate... the more you spread responsibility around the less any one outside party can gain from the situation, thus it makes sense just to help the people you came to help... |
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In fact there are definite discrepencies with that photo and other official releases as the front of the Daily Mirror showed that bearded cunt with large head wounds, if I remember the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the head so... pfff. |
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i agree totally |
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i really don't approve of seeing pictures of dead people on television. it repulses me. so we killed saddam's sons? oh yeah? that's just going to make Iraqis more pissed off than they already are, especially those still loyal to saddam hussein. it's incidences like this that truly make me question our government's intelligence. " oh yes! let's give arabians another reason to HATE us! I don't think they have enough!" |
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as i said before, i really don't think there are a whole lot of iraqis that were fans of saddam or his sons. i would say the vast majority of iraqis are glad to see them gone. the problem is, that they are very fond of america either. |
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^^^ are = aren't |
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you're probably right. :-D i'm just saying that at a time when people like al queda would be more than happy to kill any of us, that it's not too wise to be flaunting bodies. |
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That is so obviously photoshoped I am ashamed for the sucky artist that did it. The head is so disproportionate and the color is so off. Even the neckline where his beard meets the neck is just silly looking. Compare the body in the forground to the one in the back. Who cares anywhy, they're dead, in the past. Please people. Please. |
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the hipocracy is certainly obvious in this latest move. i don't like it, and i hate that it's come to this. however, i don't think the iraqi people would take our gov't at it's word so, i believe further steps had to be taken, if the goal was to prove that they were in fact dead. of course, the ones that don't want to believe still won't. and the ones that want to kill american soldiers will continue to try. and bush's "bring 'em on" stance isn't helping a bit. |
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the war on terrorism has been successfully won by the americans, by propogating hatred of their country and spurring on further terrorist attacks, they can win the more important battle: the war against civil liberties... |
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it's mortician's make-up. the government isn't denying that. they are quite open about it. the pictures of his face before the make-up was added looked like a guy's face who'd just been blown up by tanks and apache helicopter missles. |
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for anyone who's really wants to see more, there is a pretty disgusting video at . but, i really wouldn't go there unless you want to see a 5 minute video of two blowed up dudes. |
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i stand corrected.. |
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I remember the US goverment being outraged by Al Jazeera airing footage of dead US soldiers, but like everything in this conflict, it has suddenly become irrelevant and a thing of the past not to be dwelled upon. It is sick to present those bodies as trophies, however it fits right in with the wildwest style of governing that this bush administration is applying. |
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i agree... in the first place this wasn`t a war that will bring a freedom to Iraq people.. It`s an oil war ;) i think |
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