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On the first few listenings I thought this was indulgent bollocks but after a while I realised that this is the kind of music Giant Cockroaches would make after a Nuclear War destroys the planet. This isn`t the sound of humans. |
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Autechre hasn't done 'human' in years, comrade... |
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I hate it when people talk about Autechre and make analogies to things like "post apocalyptic nano-machines" or "radioactive self-assimilating music roboids racing along integrated hyper-circuits". Or especially, I read a comment on a webpage about LP5, how the track Acroyear2 always made them think of "StarWars battle droids playing a funky metallic drum beat!"---- u u h hhg. Okay, maybe it's something I should keep to myself so as not to let anyone feel insulted, but if they are going to express their opinion then, i'm going to express mine. |
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I totally AGREE!!!! I think Draft 730 is filled with emotions!! Its a melancholic album and as human as human can be. I think Autgechre would take mc_303s comment as a insult. |
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Yeah! Hey, our crazy-fuck avatars are very complementary << |
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I think it does conjure these images, yes.. but I think it goes beyond images. This is highly expressive stuff, full of subtle feelings and scientific construction all rolled into one. I wrote a nice little essay about them recently, if anyone's interested. |
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well maybe you are taking my comments out of context. It is actually a compliment. What i am trying to say is that they have suceeded in making music that is otherwordly. It sounds like it isn't electronic music, but some kind of other..... I dunno, maybe people don't like to use their imaginations. Certain pieces of music invoke certain emotions and visions for me. Don't take my opinions too literally or personally. |
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nothing against you personally, i just over reacted because i'm tired. |
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oh shush you know they are really robots, you just won't admit |
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really, the worst thing for me was the funky star wars battle droid robot percussionists. god. that's the kind of horrible thing that would give me a bad trip on acid. |
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they are extremely touchy gay robots at that.. they are usually very easily upset when their own music is referred to as "futuristic." |
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well, what do i know anyways, i'm a weirdo and i don't like acroyear2, so i always skip it, i dont' think it belongs on LP5 |
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I agree, but this is what you find if you do a google picture-search for 'acroyear' Acroyear The Acroyear figure is also from the Microman toy line and is the evil enemy of the good Micronauts. On the bottom of the Acroyear's feet are two rollers, so the figure can scoot along. Acroyear also comes with a small sword and bird like wing that can be attached to the bottom of his feet. |
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totally radical |
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i read your essay, do you realise you only dedicated two paragraphs to Autechre?..in any other context that probably wouldn't seem odd. the rest was about yourself and the infuriatingly banal stereotypes of the 'IDM' genre, who the fuck cares? no offence, but what a load of self-indulgent bollocks. |
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UVIOL!!!!! |
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do you like any better? (top right) |
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I scanned it (basically looking for the word 'Autechre'). Well, you've namedropped the usual bunch of senile old codgers so someones bound to take notice..it needs some updating, no doubt you agree. I know people try to be as objective as possible with these things, but it is impossible when you're writing about something so personal. so where does that leave me?, it leaves me not relating or caring about a word of it. Maybe i should write my own, or better yet, direct a film about this great music, since i belive that some minds think too traditionally for it and the subject can hardly be expressed verbally. fuck it, i will. |
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I love draft 7.30... but it is still 100 years behind confield |
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it's an academic paper, that's why i "namedropped" (not really) academic names.. as far as not caring about it, that's a given if you just scan through it. i agree that it's hard to be objective when you're writing something you're passionate about; i disagree however that my paper needs updating (it's been updated before, no one who's read the whole thing has said anything that's made me want to edit it further). i'd like to see your film if you make it cos i thought modulations was pretty good but could be better and more inclusive of this style of music. |
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i agree after giving draft a fair listen i really do like it. In my words it sounds like a very dark twisted hip hop of the future broken up into bits and pieces |
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now that's a good description! |
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it's an academic paper, that's why i "namedropped" (not really) academic names.. I wasn't criticizing that, its just the 'usual gang' who, frankly, im bored of hearing about..i mean, where was Don Van Vliet on that essay? (a bit extreme perhaps, but very consistent considering Autechre amoung others' great admiration for him); or Dockstader? - see, id like those influences to be known (but dont worry im sure they will). as far as not caring about it, that's a given if you just scan through it. i agree that it's hard to be objective when you're writing something you're passionate about its more not being about to relate to it more than anything. modulations was pretty good but could be better and more inclusive of this style of music. it would have no narrative as such, just a series of 'interpretations' - Alex Rutterford style :D |
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frankly i'm bored with them too but it would be falacious for me to document the history of electronic music and omit the names and stories of the pioneers. it wasn't a paper about the early pioneers, that's why i only spent a relatively short amount of time discussing the basics (hence no van vliet). dockstader i tried to work in there but ended up deciding that, though interesting, his early work wasn't that influential. as for your criticism of my paper, that's pretty much the opposite of what everyone who actually read it said (they told me it was really engaging and interesting, and enough people said this that i don't believe people are just being flattering). tell me more about your "interpretations." hypothetically would it include interview footage? if so, of who? and describe the rutterford influence. |
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I read your paper a while ago, it was quite entertaining. |
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thank you! i tried to make it kind of amusing whenever possible. the last thing i wanted to do was perpetuate the tightass idm stereotype. |
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it wasn't a paper about the early pioneers, that's why i only spent a relatively short amount of time discussing the basics (hence no van vliet). um, maybe you've mistaken Don Van Vliet for someone else; hes AKA Captain Beefheart? dockstader i tried to work in there but ended up deciding that, though interesting, his early work wasn't that influential. of whos standards of influence are you basing this on?. I have read numorous interviews were Autechre mention nothing but Dockstader, Beefheart, Ligeti as influences, and it makes sense to me. About the idea for the film - its as new to me :) ill just keep adding to it i suppose. |
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AE are arguably my favorite in IDM... and although I think draft isnt as good as confield, or chiastic slide... its still miles ahead of alot of other shit out there |
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i still don't see all the fuss over capt. beefheart, especially compared to purely electronic music pioneers. seems like a cute joke to me but i haven't heard a whole lot of him (simply cos what i've heard i haven't liked). i know autechre cite those names as big influences but i don't HEAR a lot of dockstader influence on electronic music pre-"IDM" so that makes me think he's a relatively recent influence, not someone who truly made an impact in his time. i could've spent more time discussing who artists say their influences are but that's not very historical (it's like, nixon's favorite president was ____ .. so what). |
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riiiight |
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i am crazy. |
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you're not crazy, you just seem to be under the illusion that electronic music stems from and continues to gather influence from other electronic music - which is completely wrong :) |
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no i don't believe that at all... AT ALL. i mean if you actually read my paper i even cited beethoven's role in electronic music. i didn't mention captain beefheart, who i know is an influential figure on music (much like zappa), because most of the influential figures i mentioned were from the first half of the century. |
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"American capitalism is a flawed system because it violates human rights and basic civil rights granted by the U.S. Constitution." oh brother.... !! i hope you don't actually believe that |
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i wouldn't pay much mind to those essays, i haven't read them since i wrote them.. i've been meaning to look them over to see if i still agree with what i wrote (i probably do). also don't forget the name of the course i wrote it for.. |
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ok... like i said in another post i really need some f-ing coffie.. i'll be back in a few |
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I don't like Draft too much. It seems rushed. I know it probably wasn't rushed, but it seems that way to me...especially the strange way the tracks break down. Confield is far better for me. |
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uhhhhhhh... You might write this off, and that's okay - but first of all, it was just a thing I wrote on my own time for fun and thought, and second of all, I don't think the rest was about [my]self and the infuriatingly banal stereotypes of the 'IDM' genre .. I dedicated one paragraph *at the most* to these topics. As for only 2 paragraphs being about Autechre, I didn't think this was a big problem since my thesis was along the lines that Autechre is my personal epitome of the genre. I was trying to lay a foundation for my thought on Autechre themselves. I realize it has some serious structural problems, but for a light-hearted exploratory essay I think you were a bit harsh ;*). tits: in the process of reading yours :).. |
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What's that sound in Xylin Room, the one that opens it, it sounds like a handkerchief that was wrapped around a dead parrot and now it's sneaking up on you down the hallway. |
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I have to say I love this album. It might be their best yet - deep, emotionally resonant, complicated and atmospheric. I only listen to it about once a week. It requires more attention than I can muster most of the time. |
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I really love the album because it sucks me in, once i start listening to it i have to listen to it all the way through. |
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I wish I could enjoy it. I mean, I don't know why it doesn't appeal...I love Confield, love LP5, etc..must be something wrong with my brain. |
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i just can't get into the tracks the same way as ep7 or confield |
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it was funny though.. "an essay about Autechre" - two paragraphs! |
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Being a Reich groupie I very much enjoyed your SAW2 MF18M comparison/ I'll read the rest later. |
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i want to fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck untill i need a wheelchair for mobility i want to suck suck suck suck suck until my girl gets all jittery |
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that ment suck on her clit |
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thanks a lot, that means something coming from a reich fan like yourself.. let me know if you end up reading any of the other essays, i think the "idm" one would be interesting to you as well but i don't know about the rest |
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oh.. yeah, I guess it was kinda stupid like that.. :*) titsworth: Great essay! informative and entertaining. heck, I am a huge fan and even I leanred stuff about the genre. I also read your Trent reznor paper.. also entertaining and thoughtful. thanks for sharing |
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you're welcome! |
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