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I've always said that it would be great if we went to school to learn, gratuitously, without being under the pressure of exams. As for the article ; yes, the educational system is a very effective mean of propaganda, and it has always been like that. |
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yea. it's just really sad though. my mothers a teacher and i've seen so many troubled children. i wish they knew it wasn't their fault. |
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"The task we set before ourselves is very simple...we will organize children...and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way." -Rockefeller Education Board- As i read this over i can't say that this is overly shocking. Not really surprised here. |
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Oh well... cause that was my goal.. to shock you. You fruit-caker. |
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I hate brainwashing. |
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you are brainwashing. |
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australian educational system is badly fucking broken too. |
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if you make an effort to learn, it is possible to do so in the american school system. unfortunately, not every kid has the ambition to do this as there is very little incentive to excel, it being so easy just to coast through. i am lucky that i went to a school that was well funded with a few excellent teachers that encouraged me and many of my peers to learn and to become free thinkers. but i saw many students, in the same school, that were not pushed and as a result never amounted to anything. Education is an active, not passive, endevour on the part of the student in this country. |
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i remember my old psychology teacher was telling me how her children went to a monteary (i dont remember .. soemthing like that?) school and it was a lot better then normal schools. it was more hands on experiences rather then listening to a teacher for 6 hours a day. |
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you people are lazy dont fucking blame SHIT on US educational system, or teachers. you are just fucking lazy and have to admit it. ive gone to school with so many dumbducks who think they are too COOL to do shit and learn. whatever, i laff at it. ig et more fucked up than those people, and am quite controllable holding my own in the world :) blame people, not teachers |
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did you even READ the article? |
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I attended a public school for the first time during my junior year of high school. I had listened to people brag on and on about what a great high school this was.... I was one of THREE kids in my history class that did not fail. (I had a 98 average actually. Every test was open book) Kids would sit in class during an open book test and put nothing on the paper but their name, and pass it in blank. They cared that little. I was shocked. |
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no he didnt, he doesnt read anything, to jumps into his little bubble (similar to the bubble promo has) and pretends that everything is fine, because he's doing well and that's all that matters. |
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im teacher. Im a good one though. I rule. |
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really, it's not the fault of the teachers, but the system. It's so bad, we even start the education system at an age that is too young - some children are not cognitively developed enough to cope and therefore become resentful to school/education/learning. Plus the system makes children jump through hoops, rather than think for themselves. This leads to people having no critical thought, and do not questioning anything. Elusive and Promo are prime examples of this type of behaviour. |
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mate, really, a hell of a lot of the time it IS the fault of the teachers. A lot of teachers are fairly dumb considering. Its harder to get into teaching now though, so hopefully theyre filtering out the shit heads, but that said, teaching retention is at an all time low, so maybe there'll be a surge of crap teachers coming in. Great. I teach ICT, fucking easy as pissing. Kids love it, i love it. Works out quite nicely |
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our ICT teachers was crap! well, he was a biology teacher, who was thought to have been the most suitable for the position :-/ had to drop the subject at GCSE cos we didnt acheive enough coursework marks to gain a C, even if we got 100% on the exam. |
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yeah, the world needs more aphex triplets, or quadrouplets, or cinqetlets or whatever. By the way i stole your avatar for a message board about a year ago, i thought you should know. She meant nothing to me and i never saw her again. |
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*scratches head* lol, ok! |
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:) |
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Some schools in the US had to close earily this year because of lack of funding. The US military was given a 60billion dollar increase in funding. Congrats Bush, mb your citizens will get so dumb they'll blow them selves up. |
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priorities are definatly messed up. |
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teachers never affected how much i learned. it was the subject matter, not the way they teached it. |
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Like the mandatory "Health II" class we had to take junior year. I didn't learn anything because it was like all the fucking health classes we had taken since 6th grade. It's just that some kids skulls are too fucking thick to drill though. |
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I've always said that it would be great if we went to school to learn, gratuitously, without being under the pressure of exams. i agree with you that a system like this would be good for ME, but there to many fucking moron kids (everyone, basically) here that almost no one would go to school. also tests are relied on as a way to measure how much a student has learned/"succeeded." |
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yeah, we should have a big test around 6th grade time that determines whether you will be allowed to go on to higher education, or if you aren't cut out for it and should be put into internment programs to learn factory work. HAHA! |
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It's true that the education system has become goal-oriented, with the emphasis on getting kids to pass trivial exams that are meaningless. Education should be interesting & information, not a factory production line designed to churn out happy consumers. |
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the education system is a part of the larger society we live in, the guys at the big table don't want the average ho-hum to come along and question things which is what intelligent people do. you cannot carry out an "iraqi freedom" operation with a country full of intelligent educated people. it is necesarry none-the-less, that the government serve the larger good, the group before the individual. this is how organisms ensure survival. the government is at the same time breaking basic concepts of morale, breaking the very rules they set...and joe bloke now feels tricked because they're saying one thing and doing another. i always said, educating urself is the only way, read all u can, and take in every situation u encounter, make it important to urself, what happens to u is not in ur control, but what u do...that is to say what umake happen to others u can control |
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It's too easy to simply blame the people - they are manipulated incessantly, and cannot be fully blamed for it working - they are the victims of cynical measures. I agree - self-education is currently the best way to educate onesself. |
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you cannot blame specific people yes, but it is how our species works, the smart ones moved ahead, and wanted to keep it that way, so they do whatever they can to keep us dumb or at least distracted, occupied, whatever. the point is personal gain is what motivates us to use our imagination towards a better life.....but personal gain and imagination are equally responsible characteristics that cuased events such as ww1 and 2 |
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I can't agree with that, either - 01) not all 'successful' people are 'smart', 02) not all 'unsuccessful' people are 'not smart'. |
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by smart´ones i did mean the people who figured it out, how to attain power, how to gain control etc, that to me is smart, intelligence is another story |
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I've figured out how to control - doesn't mean I feel the need to implement it. I know what you're saying, but we shouldn't pander them by calling them 'smart'. Call them by their name -- Scum-sucking Lizard Fucks (SSLF) |
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phhh lol, okay i know i am just as frustrated with the system as you are, but being frustrated isn't going to help much....."if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" so they say. i am just working my ass off right now selling my soul and swallowing my pride, knowing that it is working towards, or rather for my freedom...which doesn't really bother me i am not angry at having to earn my freedom, as in financial freedom etc. i always thought life was meant to be a struggle. i like conversing u know exchanging with people and how they think of these global issues....i am enjoying it even tho it hurts, |
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Don't do it. It's a nation of people just selling their soul because they can't face the consequences that allow them to be mass controlled. If the entire population stood up and said, 'fuck your system', they would be powerless. |
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i was there too marlowe, i reject the system just as much as before when i was running around yelling about every commercial and its attempt to brainwash me...but you will not succeed by trying to go out and change everyone to realize.."yes, this world is fuct up"...19 yrs of my life have already passed me by too fast, i plan spending the rest on me and my family, everyone else can go fuck themselves as far as i am concerned. now if everyone focussed on themselves, and helped themselves...we would probably be able to achieve the utopia humankind has been dreaming of |
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so they've won in your case |
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and if u ever sit there wondering why so many people seem not interested or motivated to break their consumer life-cycle, this sentence will clear it up for u... "what is the most common human characteristic?; fear or laziness?" in order to successfully apply propaganda onto a society, you need to shake them up, u need to break the pattern that has gotten them so comfortable and calm...take 9-11 for example, this event has gotten america confused because the train thought was.."if something like this could happen, then anything could happen" as soonb as we start pondering our safety we get nervous, we use this nervousness to make an elephant out of a mosquito and next thing u know people are 100% for the war, not even thinking of what is going to happen to innocent people there, the only matter of importance is to serve that primal need to retalliate, to kill or be killed. |
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and i was starting to favor u marlowe don't resort to who is right and wrong just yet, keep the discussion going |
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As soon as you have a 'fuck everyone else' attitude, they've got you licked. I used to be like that - I did it the reverse way - it took things to make me realise that the way to win is to continue fighting them by exposing their ways and by helping society. I plan to spend the rest of my life in helping others, to help make our society a better place for all, not just to make sure that me, or my family, are doing alright. If you disagree, that is fair enough, and that is your opinion, and I will respect that that is your opinion. I just see it differently. |
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funny enough, we are the same in so many respects, it's how we choose to exercise or act on that common belief we have that differentiates us both. altho, i do agree with everything you say, doesn't mean i have to do it like u do just because i agree with it. the problem occurs at the different layers that exist....that we all act on our core beliefs and project that onto the outside world, it is natural to want to change your world, i am changing the world as much as you are with your chosen path, difference is that i am focussing on a few lives....you on the other hand have that global compassion for yourself and everyone like you and because of that overwhelming number of people not satisfied with life gives you the courage, knowing that all they need is a tip in the right direction. i would join u on all of this, except it would go against one of ´my basic principles. and that is that i do not change people....i change myself, i do not teach people i just display what i do, they are the ones who can evaluate my actions and do with it what they want. i mean i know we're on the virge of splitting hairs here, but it is important we shouldn't forget to always be aware, |
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Do you actually think that "keep[ing] us dumb and distracted" is how the species work? Something like the Darwinian "survival of the fittest"? I don't believe this has anything to do with how smart one is, or how high your IQ is... As if there was some rule out there saying that once you are above a certain level of intelligence, you also have to start screwing people below that level. Studys shows that people in high positions often tend to display "psychopathic" tendencies. Psychopaths are commonly described as vicious killers and criminals but they are actually a very common ingredient of daily life. Everyone here, who has at least some contact with the outside world, apart from this forum, has probably met or known a psychopath at least one time. I've know one... What makes a psychpath stand out from ordinary people is their self-image and complete lack of empathy, this is probably caused by braindamage in early childhood, or even in the woomb. Corporate CEO's and other high people within society tend to have, as I said, at least a few psychopathic traits/tendencies. The problem with real psychopaths is that they often start to feel uninterested in what they are doing after a very short time, unless they can find ways of stimulating their needs constantly. They are therefor not longlived within a healthy corporate structure... But they still exist, and they do whatever they can, in a very cunning and vicious way, to climb within the structure which they are positioned. This include lying about co-workers, self-glorification, taking high risks without feeling pressure and so on... These are the people that guard their power, not smart or intelligent people. How can you, like with Enron, withhold a service that hundreds of thousands rely on everyday to live a decent life, in order to fill your own pockets - without feeling any guilt or shame? You must have something wrong inside your brain to do something like that, or is it simply the smartest thing to do? |
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I agree about leading by example -- but on top of that, there is our duty to expose the current Corruption of Society. I know we two agree in principle on most things, but I think that we should be telling people and trying to change them -- or, help them to change themselves, to deprogram their coerced minds. |
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I thought it was they displayed high SOCIOPATHIC tendancies? |
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joakim, thank you finaly someone else interested in the convo.... i agree with your statement but under circumstances couldn't we all be psychopaths? don't we all have it in us? and i don't even like the use of words like psychopath, because u suddenly get mental images of freddy krueger etc, which is just blowing things out of proportion. every human has a core, this core contains their primitive behaviour which ensures survival, this means sex, hunting, protecting, etc... ultimately everyone serves a purpose, if it wasn't guy a who went and stole 10 Million from some bankm it would be someone else, everyone plays a function in society, what i mean by this is that you and me...we are affected by other people our whole lives we have watched how wars are fought and morons run the world, rich get richer and more poverty stricken people die.....being replaced by even more poverty stricken people, it is our natural response to think and act the way we do.....we are no different to the ceo who rips people off for billions, or the quiet guy going on a massacre spree one day...because we all react to each other.... |
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a person's true purpose wouldn't impinge or impose on another's. When Crowley said 'Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law', he meant it for people to divine their true Will/Purpose in life and follow it without being goaded off the path by other people. And True Will won't impose on another's. It isn't a person's True Will to corrupt people, to steal their goods, or to control them. |
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no it isn't a persons true will...but thats exactly the point....its a question of how much you will do for your own gain or how much you will sacrifice of yourself for the larger gain of the group.....a question of ego, but its impossible to categorize a person to a single characteristic flaw, it is an interconnected structure of behaviour patterns that decides how we actm this structure is open to change, tv, radio, newspapers, even people themselves can do this to others... |
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The education system for the masses has always been about producing factory/office fodder. Universal education in the West is a particularly modern policy. In Pre-industrial revolution societies it didn't matter if the majority of the population was illiterate, innumerate etc., etc, most people worked on the land. Production was local and small scale. As the industrial revolution kicked in and the economic system became more and more based on technical prodcution, so the system required a workforce able to adapt. Societiy wouldn't function if the workforce was uneducated as their agrarian predocessors. Education for industry. It has ever been thus. |
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information over-flow is another aspect....the information age has had and will continue to impact society massively....will it be for the positive? or the negative? the beauty of life, we never know, we never did...best guesses is all we have |
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