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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-14 07:38 [#00778142] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker
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 | god, i love trackers! i've been waiting for a "pro quality" tracker for a long time. the Impulse Tracker 3 project is
 dead now, it was suppose to be the first tracker to match up
 to the pro software sequencers like Cubase.
 
 Few days ago i found RENOISE, which is what i've been
 waiting for. MIDI / VST instrument and effects support
 (YAYY!),automation and other cool features
 
 anyone using it? trackers are the best thing for creating
 drill'n'bass, so you might want to try Renoise
 
 
 
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         |  corticalstim
             from Canada on 2003-07-14 07:40 [#00778143] Points: 3885 Status: Regular
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 | and what exactly makes them the best for making drill? 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-14 07:51 [#00778148] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to corticalstim: #00778143
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 | well, it's a bit hard for me to explain, so i suggest you read this watmm thread and download the demo @
 www.renoise.com
 
 here's a screenshot
 
 
 
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         |  corticalstim
             from Canada on 2003-07-14 08:02 [#00778156] Points: 3885 Status: Regular
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 | ive used trackers before - but i didnt really notice anything other than its a vertical version of floops with a
 windows-esque gui - i have no problem with it - but floops
 is almost just a tracker with pretty pictures and extra
 features :P
 
 
 
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         |  Rambling Madman
             from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-14 08:02 [#00778157] Points: 1492 Status: Regular
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 | Wierd you should mention Renoise, I d/l the day & thought wtf?
 
 I couldn't get it do a thing..........where's the
 instructions for it, I couldn't find it.
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-14 08:06 [#00778160] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | i use renoise 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-14 08:10 [#00778162] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to Rambling Madman: #00778157
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 | go to the directory where renoise is, open the 'help' folder and there's a helpfile you can read. It's important to learn
 all the keyboard shortcuts. You won't be able to do amazing
 things with it right at first. Just learn how everything
 works and in time it will be very easy and fun to use. Beat
 Programming is expecially fun to do with a tracker
 
 
 
 
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         |  J Swift
             from United Kingdom on 2003-07-14 08:15 [#00778166] Points: 650 Status: Regular
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 | Renoise is the best piece of music software I've ever used! It is ideal for electronic music - Logic/Cubase style
 programmes are still really designed for recording bands and
 are way to fiddly - Renoise is just like using hardware - I
 can write a track in a day now - Used to take me weeks with
 Logic.
 Trackers are the only things you should even attempt to do
 drill(style) programming on - I only tried them out because
 I couldn't figure out how Snares was doing such incredible
 beat programming and using such interesting time sigs - I
 couldn't figure out how he was so prolific - In Logic it
 would take me months to recreate that style of programming
 properly.
 
 
 
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         |  Rambling Madman
             from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-14 08:29 [#00778178] Points: 1492 Status: Regular
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 | Very interesting indeed, I will get on the case asap! 
 Cheers for bringing this to my attention Baslsam/Swift.
 
 I would have prob thrown this one in the recycle bin.
 
 
 
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         |  rastropchuk
             from Vladimir (Russia) on 2003-07-14 09:20 [#00778255] Points: 45 Status: Regular
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 | i am still using MODPLUG TRACKER!!!!! still think it is a best tracker in the world
 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-14 10:04 [#00778306] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to rastropchuk: #00778255
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 | Renoise is much superior to Modplug tracker 
 
 
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         |  kluizenaar
             from Netherlands Antilles on 2003-07-14 10:29 [#00778340] Points: 506 Status: Regular
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 | kluizenaar = plugexpert = protracker = fasttracker = madtracker =
 
 http://www.zebox.com/plugexpert/ = spam
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-14 10:31 [#00778345] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | woah dude, you're jonas teh plugman? jeez im a fan and stuff.
 
 cheers
 
 
 
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         |  uviol
             from United States on 2003-07-14 11:14 [#00778429] Points: 2496 Status: Lurker
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 | I downloaded it prolly over a month ago and had the same experience as Rambling Madman.  I couldn't even get it to
 place a note.  I could get it to play sounds by hitting the
 keys but other than that it seemed paralyzed.  This is not
 because it's a tracker either, I love trackers and use Buzz
 primarily.  This one just really confused me.. mainly cuz I
 couldn't get started.
 However, I will give it another shot now because it *did
 *look extremely effective.  And I agree.. beat programming
 on trackers is the only way to do it. :)
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-14 11:15 [#00778431] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Followup to uviol: #00778429 | Show recordbag
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 | hit the spacebar to toggle note placement 
 
 
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         |  uviol
             from United States on 2003-07-14 11:34 [#00778446] Points: 2496 Status: Lurker
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 | Bless you Pomme! *kicks self in the head*
 
 ouch
 
 
 
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         |  S M Pennyworth
             from East Timor on 2003-07-14 12:07 [#00778481] Points: 2196 Status: Lurker
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 | i drink lots of water at the moment cause its hot outside and i cant make tracks when me pants are sweaty, i use
 renoise too.
 
 
 
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         |  rastropchuk
             from Vladimir (Russia) on 2003-07-14 12:17 [#00778493] Points: 45 Status: Regular | Followup to AlbertoBalsalm: #00778306
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 | why do you think so??? i think there is no difference between them... modplug can
 support VST too! dont forget it!
 
 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-14 18:41 [#00779006] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to rastropchuk: #00778493
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 | modplug only supports VST effects, not VST instruments 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-14 19:00 [#00779016] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | touche 
 
 
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         |  broken phillip
             on 2003-07-15 07:13 [#00779434] Points: 828 Status: Lurker
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 | sweet.. gonna try it out.. 
 im using fasttrackerII @ the mo.
 trackers are cool..
 give em a go any in doubt.
 
 
 
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         |  Rambling Madman
             from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-15 09:15 [#00779624] Points: 1492 Status: Regular | Followup to pomme de terre: #00778431
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 | I got sounds. 
 Yeah, time to get ill
 
 
 
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         |  Dael
             from the low end (Australia) on 2003-07-15 09:19 [#00779635] Points: 968 Status: Lurker
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 | it's great to see and hear something so close to FT2 yet more polished and developed,... so much for waiting for FT3
 to happen!
 
 cheers for mentioning this albertoe :)
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-15 09:27 [#00779654] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | ft3 will never happen i dont think.. 
 renoise is where its at.
 
 
 
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         |  Rambling Madman
             from the future (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-15 09:40 [#00779665] Points: 1492 Status: Regular
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 | the space bar is the way forward!!! 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-15 09:44 [#00779669] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | www.zebox.com/pommedeterre 
 'doccoa'
 
 this trk was made entirely in renoise..
 
 
 
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         |  Co-existence
             from Bergen (Norway) on 2003-07-15 11:03 [#00779813] Points: 3388 Status: Regular
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 | Fasttracker II is the tracker close to my heart 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-15 11:52 [#00779895] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to pomme de terre: #00779669
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 | how do i record a track to .wav? "SAVE AS WAVE" doesn't work :-/
 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-15 11:52 [#00779898] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker
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 | *i have the full version, not the demo. so it should work 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-15 11:52 [#00779899] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | you need to register it before you can save to wave. 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-15 11:53 [#00779900] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | oh its saving the sample to wave.. hit render to save the entire song (or a single track) to .wav
 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-07-15 12:00 [#00779912] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to pomme de terre: #00779900
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 | doh, i see i already did that but didn't know it was saved as a wave. okay all is well now
 
 
 
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         |  S M Pennyworth
             from East Timor on 2003-07-15 15:04 [#00780265] Points: 2196 Status: Lurker
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 | pommie we need to get some more collabocrackedy going, send me some schtuff whadontcha
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-07-15 15:05 [#00780270] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | i agree.. but you are in your cozy little bed when i get home
 
 :(
 
 do you have any webspace we could use?
 
 
 
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         |  S M Pennyworth
             from East Timor on 2003-07-15 15:07 [#00780274] Points: 2196 Status: Lurker
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 | not really no.. you mentioned something about a server though didnt you?
 otherwise, i just finished work for this summer so i'll be
 up late
 
 
 
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         |  S M Pennyworth
             from East Timor on 2003-07-15 15:10 [#00780279] Points: 2196 Status: Lurker
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 | different timezones suck arse nothing can be completely good
 
 
 
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         |  S M Pennyworth
             from East Timor on 2003-07-15 15:10 [#00780280] Points: 2196 Status: Lurker
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 | *off for a smoke* 
 
 
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         |  X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-07-15 15:46 [#00780363] Points: 2901 Status: Lurker
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 | I used renoise as trackers were the only thing I knew since the good ol' amiga days. But Renoise was buggy as a mofo so
 I quit using it.
 
 
 
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         |  X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-07-15 15:47 [#00780365] Points: 2901 Status: Lurker
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 | All the time I was waiting for fasttracker 3 to come out, but in the meantime I've learned to use reason and now I
 don't need a tracker anymore.
 
 
 
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         |  Skeptopotamus
             from Home (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-15 16:10 [#00780390] Points: 625 Status: Regular
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 | A close music making friend of mine pointed me towards Renoise. It's wonderful. I'd recommend it as the second
 thing to anyone after Buzz (and I can imagine more people
 being happier with Renoise than Buzz too)
 
 
 
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         |  J Swift
             from United Kingdom on 2003-07-15 16:33 [#00780440] Points: 650 Status: Regular
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 | I've actually found Renoise to be erriely stable - It's certainly not buggy these days. (I'm waiting for it to crash
 one day and make me lose three hours work... my experience
 of most sequencers).
 I don't really rate Reason too high for anything except
 straight-ahead dance/trance music.
 I really love trackers now - I used to always be pissed off
 at my computer - Logic/P.Tools used to crash and have all
 these wierd quirks - Also, I hate using those graphical
 arrange things, just end up doing the most predictable shite
 on them - Doesn't look/feel right if you've got a really
 repetative tune on there and it's just three tracks copy'ed
 and pasted over and over - Makes me feel like I'm being lazy
 or something, so I start writing bridges and builds and end
 up with a pile of crap Trance tune or something...
 Renoise is the only piece of software/hardware I really
 couldn't live without.
 It looks hardcore too when you're using it - If I'm using
 Reason it looks like I'm playing some kind of Sony
 DanceBuilder 2000 or something - I know that's stupid
 though!
 
 
 
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