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Jedi Chris
on 2003-07-08 05:07 [#00770522]
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*helps Ceri off his soapbox*
You did well kid....you did well!! :P
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-07-08 05:10 [#00770532]
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cities are expensive,
the closer you get to them the more money you need to spend.
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-07-08 05:11 [#00770534]
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That is so true!
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-07-08 05:13 [#00770542]
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income tax here is also fucked, depending on how much you earn, you can get roughly 25% of your pay taken out, I I'm a high income earner, so I get slugged with the full amount....
It's like getting punished for working
"the harder you work, the more we take"
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-08 05:18 [#00770549]
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Yep, it's a fucker, especially as youd be spending the extra money in ways that'd be taxed (if only in VAT etc.) anyway if you had it all. I'm all for a "one point" of taxation- perhaps a 30% VAT type tax on all good or services, but no other taxes. It'd be a lot more transparent (you could work out what percentage of your money goes to the government exactly) and due to the lack of beauracracy the cost of running it would be less, no tax forms for normal people to mess about with, the wealthy would still be "taxed" more as they'd spend more etc.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-07-08 05:22 [#00770550]
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yeah, soon there'll be a tax on paying tax
oh, wait, there already is.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-07-08 05:29 [#00770551]
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what I think is fucking greedy are the hidden taxes, I'll explain:
several years ago deisel fuel was rather cheap, I think it was around 40c a litre or something small like that, then the government decided to suddenly put the tax on deisel up and made it cost about $1 a litre, which was all just extra money going to the government,
now here's where it gets tricky,
all of the trucks that deliver anything that needs delivering (i.e. almost every single thing you buy) was now costing fuck loads more to transport, most truckies went out of business, which made transport in more demand, this made the prices of any goods transported by trucks (almost everything) skyrocket, which meant that the 10% tax they get on everything else slightly higher too, thus giving the government even more money.
tricky fuckers they are, all of them politicians
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-08 05:38 [#00770554]
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Yep, a lot of people seem not to realise how vast the amount of money the government get is-
out of your earnings they take a cut of tax, what remains you spend, each of these things of course being taxed themselves. Thing is, the people providing those goods/services are also taxes as are all the people who make the components that make up those goods or services...
Say for example you buy a £10 record, aside from the intial vat, the govt. also get tax from: the wages of the person in the store who sold it to you, the tax on the power station/gas station/water service that provided the facilities to the record store (and naturally the wages of the people at them), all the companies that provided the stands, lighting, poster etc. to make them. Then consider all similair stuff for the record label, pressing plant, artist, mastering studio, haulage company that shipped it there, etc.
Trace back all the "component" taxes on something like a CD and I'm sure the goverment must get well over 50% of the face value on it... >:-(
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Jedi Chris
on 2003-07-08 06:20 [#00770584]
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Its shocking when you think of it that way! :(
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 06:42 [#00770598]
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I've had it to the fucking limit with tax. The amount payed is criminal and I don't see it going anywhere. I'm not going to get a pension at the end of it. I've never received benefits of any kind from the government and I rarely use the services. What pisses me is that if you work for the NHS then you're being paid in Tax money. So effectively you're paying yourself. There's so many taxes out there that it's impossible to know what's a tax and what's not.
I'm pleased to know that I got one over the tax man last year. The company that I own filed a tax report saying that the company made no money. Not strictly true as I was the only employee so we just set my salary at the amount that would make the company look in a £100 debt at the end of the year. Fucking a I say. Fully legal too. W0rd to your mamma.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-08 07:14 [#00770624]
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Yep tax avoidance via consultancy is the way to go- fair enough, I use the roads, I pay road tax for that... also I'm protected by the forces. I've also used the NUS a few times and get eye checks free as there's a history of glycoma in my family. However, I have no children so I don't use schools, I don't use community centres, libraries, etc. I've never claimed benefits, I don't want to put money into a state pension as I know I'll never see any of it, I don't live in council accomodation etc.
Despite getting whacked an extortianate rate for council tax (which I cleverly avoid by living with 3 students mwahaha!) the bins are not collected as it's a private terrace so we end up having to (illegally) dump all our rubbish down a back alley nearby.
Giginger: Yes, I've often wondered about being a government employee- if you're paid with tax money, why not save on admin costs by simply paying you less and just not taxing you?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 07:24 [#00770639]
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Or better still just not taxing us! That's get rid of the Nurse shortage as well.
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