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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-06 21:49 [#00768975]
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If you are interested in an idea to make "fractal beats" and a text walkthrough to make them in modpug tracker using one of my sample tracks, I figured out how to send them through email. Post your email and I'll send it to you. You need about 900 k of free space in your email account.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-06 21:51 [#00768981]
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By "fractal beats" I mean beats using three simultaneous octaves (scaling symmetry) such as these:
"celsius fair enough" "my bloody vacuum cleaner 2" "4 rooms 4 walls"
at:
http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/wmw/
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-07-06 23:05 [#00769013]
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ok go! (snd awy!!)
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-07-06 23:12 [#00769016]
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Oops i forgot that my E-mail is non-public.
virginpusher@yahoo.com
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-07 01:21 [#00769078]
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Haha... it is now! Prepared to be stalked!
... just kidding... =)
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-07-07 01:50 [#00769084]
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Ok go for it. Just look on my profile.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-07 02:24 [#00769113]
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since im interested in fractals... here ya go: vaagisdecrew@hotmail.com
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polygon_ring
from somewhere else on 2003-07-07 05:01 [#00769159]
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it seems interesting...
polygon_ring@yahoo.com
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aphexchrist
from philly (United States) on 2003-07-07 05:05 [#00769162]
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I would greatly appreciate this:
digiphex20@hotmail.com
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 05:16 [#00769165]
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Me too!
ninehexagons@yahoo.co.uk
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-07 05:32 [#00769173]
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rather a large chance that the hotmail-adresses won't take such an attachment..
anyways..
qrter@tkwsping.nl
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 12:16 [#00769593]
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I should have sent everyone 2 emails (I had to divide it into 2 parts to send it- both are about 700k...) except for:
(JAroen) vaagisdecrewAThotmail.com- your inbox is too full to accept either part of my email attachments. Let me know if this problem is fixed, if you are still interested.
(aphexchrist) digiphex20@hotmail.com- I only sent part 1. You still need part 2 but your inbox was too full to send it. Let me know when there's enough space (about 700k) if you're still interested.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-07 12:25 [#00769609]
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fucking hotmail crap....
it should be fixed now.. thanks..
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-07-07 12:26 [#00769611]
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hummer@watmm.com thnx
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blrr
from the block on 2003-07-07 12:28 [#00769614]
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vsepr90@hotmail.com pretty please
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-07-07 12:29 [#00769618]
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send me that.. I'm not entirely certain what fractal beats are though
email
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MrTenzin
from The Concrete Jungle (United States) on 2003-07-07 12:46 [#00769642]
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can you forwad me a copy :) tenzin@ucla.edu
thankz yoooooz!
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 12:55 [#00769649]
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Sweet as!
Click me to e-mail giginger. w00t!
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2003-07-07 13:37 [#00769701]
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How do you do a mailto?
djxammax@hotmail.com anyway.
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aphexchrist
from philly (United States) on 2003-07-07 14:18 [#00769781]
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my mailbox has enough room now so send away if possible
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-07 14:24 [#00769786]
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you type a href="mailto:djxammax@hotmail.com" in the normal html style
like so
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-07 14:25 [#00769791]
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i don't really think this method is straight up fractal beats. it kind of makes sense. but maybe a fractal beat should just get increasingly faster while keeping the same length of time (per section per speed)
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Job a boj
from Land of the Lost Timezone! (Canada) on 2003-07-07 14:44 [#00769835]
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na015863@students.northatlantic.nf.ca
send away
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-V-
from Ensenada Drive on 2003-07-07 15:27 [#00769900]
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stapleking[AT]hotmail[DOT]com
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nhiiq
from the hanging valleys on 2003-07-07 15:53 [#00769940]
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noisehose/AT/insightbb/DOT/com
please + thankyou.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 17:13 [#00770133]
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I emailed both parts to everyone who posted their email so far, except for:
wdonohue(AT)hotmail(DOT)com- Let me know when there's 700k available in your inbox because you still need part two.
djxammax(AT)hotmail(DOT)com- Let me know when there's 700k available in your inbox because you still need part two.
nao15863(AT)students(DOT)northa...etc- the college email system blocked part two because they do not allow executable files (for security reasons I guess.)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 17:37 [#00770177]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular | Followup to roygbivcore: #00769791
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Well, it's convenient to name the technique something. And there is indeed "scaling symmetry" (only 3 scales of 200% though with 3 octaves) which is the definition of a fractal.
There are other ways to create scaling symmetry, such as the way you described. In that way though, the loops shrink each repitition and since fractals tend to decrease/increase exponentially, you'd soon end up with a tone of indistinguishable noise, or silence which would make you have to restart every time it diminished. Regardless of whether or not the "triple-octave-beat" technique I make is a fractal, I like the intricate complexity it produces, and it keeps going on constantly without diminishing.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-07 18:13 [#00770204]
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yeah i got you
math is hard
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FuZziE
from this land's just one big city (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-07 18:42 [#00770229]
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fuzzie is also interested......
fractals@fuzzie.nl
thnx
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 01:48 [#00770377]
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Got the e-mail last night. Cheers :-)
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-08 02:38 [#00770398]
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got it.. opening the files now
thanks!
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-07-08 04:52 [#00770495]
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thank you w M w! I look forward to reading what you have here and experimenting with the rest! Much appreciation indeed! :D
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 10:40 [#00770851]
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I'm surprised how many people were interested in this. If anyone has any questions or problems, let me know. Also if anyone makes a track using the technique (or some variation), I'd like to hear it.
These people still need part two:
wdonohue(AT)hotmail(DOT)com- djxammax(AT)hotmail(DOT)com- nao15863(AT)students(DOT)northa...etc-
If anyone else is interested, just post your email. (I'll wait a day or so to send it to you fuzzie, in case anyone else wants it so I can send a single email to everyone at once.)
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2003-07-08 11:09 [#00770874]
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smiley0@myrealbox.com
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-07-08 11:19 [#00770880]
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u should be ok now..
and you dont have to send me modplug.. I already have a tracker program
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 21:35 [#00771535]
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I think I sent it to everyone so far. If not, let me know. Has anyone bothered reading the text file yet or tried making your own "fractal beats"? Was it interesting? dumb? understandable? problems? bologne sandwich?
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faaip_de_oiad
from Sirius (United States) on 2003-07-09 00:44 [#00771604]
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faaip_de_oiad@hotmail.com
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-09 10:50 [#00771925]
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bump if anyone else is interested. (It's easier to send to multiple people at once.)
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faaip_de_oiad
from Sirius (United States) on 2003-07-09 23:03 [#00772476]
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Did you send it yet? Because I think I might have accidently deleted it. If so, could you send it again please. Thanks.
faaip_de_oiad@hotmail.com
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-10 10:56 [#00773080]
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Ok, I sent part one to you. You still need part 2 so let me know when there's enough room in your inbox faaip_de_oiad.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-11 10:24 [#00774370]
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Here are some things I forgot:
Whenever you want to make a new track in modplug, go to file and select new "IT". Just use "IT", not the other ones.
Also, making "fractal beats" tends to somewhat randomly mix certain parts of the beat with other parts (of a lower/higher octave). This means it is usually good to have everything in the same pitch. Melodies don't work well with this technique because the organization ends up placing simultaneous awkward notes together usually.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-22 12:13 [#00789807]
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I assume you all dow M wnloaded this directly into your recycle bins? Or did somebody try it? Anybody? Anybody at all?...
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N-gon
from Vero Beach (United States) on 2003-07-22 15:47 [#00790018]
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please email me the instructions!
the_curtis_man@yahoo.com
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2003-07-22 16:02 [#00790038]
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me me me me !!!!!
ramin.ghajar@pandora.be
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_user
from rostov-on-don (Russia) on 2003-07-22 16:34 [#00790068]
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laezee@watmm.com
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-22 19:47 [#00790245]
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I think I'll wait for feedback from people who have already downloaded it to see if it is worth sending to more people. I should note that these "fractal beats" have only 3 scales, so they're not really super intricate detailed fractals. It is possible to make additional scales by increasing the number of simultaneously played octaves of the beat, but I've found that 3 simultaneous octaves has the best, (least over-cluttered) results. Again, it is just a easy-to-follow text walkthrough of a technique to make tracks like the ones I made here:
http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/wmw/ (ex. "my bloody vacuum cleaner 2")
So if you don't think this type of construction is interesting, there's no reason to bother.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-23 10:02 [#00790879]
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Oh, you all read that part in the text file about this being shareware, not freeware right? I expect my payments for registering it soon as the trial period is over as of today.
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faaip_de_oiad
from Sirius (United States) on 2003-07-25 21:14 [#00794199]
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I never received the second "Fractal Beats" email containing the modplug tracker. If you could, please send it to me again. Try sending it to faaipdeoiad_666@iwon.com cause hotmail seems to be blocking your emails or something. Thanks alot, I appreciate it.
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