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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 02:56 [#00763331]
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are tough imo
cant make any decent sounds
anyone wants to share some infinite wisdom with me on this?
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niun
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-01 03:30 [#00763336]
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Hmmmm interesting.
I'm going to give that a go.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 03:44 [#00763347]
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yeah i was playing some random tunes with the guitar.. and i came up with something nice.. so i typed it into the pc hoping it to work out (i make tracks like this most of the time) but it was in 6/8 time... its quite nice but i cant make a good beat to it, just some drums and crashes..
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alnuit
on 2003-07-01 03:47 [#00763349]
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Try giving a listen to Leftfield's 6/8 war for some ides on how a 6/8 beat can progress...
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alnuit
on 2003-07-01 03:47 [#00763350]
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It is on their "Rhythm and Stealth" album.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 03:51 [#00763354]
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track.. unfinished tho
here.. have a listen if you're interested... its quite ok but i dont like the beats.. so ill check that stuff out alnuit, thankies
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 03:52 [#00763357]
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again... i fucked it up..
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niun
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-01 03:56 [#00763360]
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well, it certainly appears to be a better way of working on tunes. I just throw random beats and notes together, spend days tweaking filters and waves to get everything sounding juicy, then throw the whole lot onto my sampler and really mess things up.
Could be the reason why the last project I completed was in 97 :(
Damn technology.
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alnuit
on 2003-07-01 03:58 [#00763361]
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nice idea...great melody...sounds like Mouse On Mars... :)
why don't you place some real slow eastern strings (instead of the soft strings) in the background ? I have a feeling that would go well with this.
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niun
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-01 04:00 [#00763364]
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P.S. dude, the track sounds great. And you already have the beginnings of a rolling little beat.
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niun
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-01 04:05 [#00763368]
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I'd love to hear those crashes sounding a little less like crashes and a tad more ambient. Get some filters on those things :)
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 04:06 [#00763369]
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okay thanks for the tips youall!
im gonna try to get an eastern-sounding part up now... hope it works out
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-01 05:40 [#00763430]
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it's a lot easier to do irl than with a computer. That's because it's not based on a 4/8. The easiest way to start is to make a melody/beat that goes like dieduliedU TA TA TA.
Hm, hehe, hard to explain through words. just fit 6 equal notes in a measure of 4.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 05:48 [#00763435]
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mmm doing that gives.. interesting.. results... thanks for the tip
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hepburnenthorpe
from sydney (Australia) on 2003-07-01 08:36 [#00763575]
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ive a trak "the drowning boy" in 3/4. thats 6/8 yeah?
here
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 08:39 [#00763577]
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6/8 is basically like 2 bars of 3/4. BASICALLY.
but just remember, in 6/8 the accent is usually on the 1 and the 4.... giving it a triplet feel.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 08:40 [#00763578]
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or one bar of 2/4, with triplets
so many ways of looking at it... but yeah, the emphasis is on 3s
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-01 08:42 [#00763581]
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radiohead-idioteque
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-01 08:49 [#00763586]
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i love 6/8 ...but i love 5/8+7/8 more...5/8 is lovely too...
the real challenge is 9/16
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 08:50 [#00763589]
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9/16
how do you interpert it? 3 beats, with triplets? or do you count it as one phrase....?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-01 08:51 [#00763591]
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Cfern off Confield is in 6/8 - at first anyhoo. I've never tried waltzing to it though. :D
Coincidentally I'm working on a jazzy track right now that's in 6/8.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-01 08:52 [#00763592]
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5/4 is great once you get the hang of it. Hats off to Brubeck for popularizing it and showing how hard it can swing.
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-01 08:53 [#00763593]
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in one...like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9, 1 2 3 4 .....etc...
the 5/8+7/8 is like this 1 2 3 4 5, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, 1 2 3 4 5, 1....etc.
I have made a track that shifts like this first 5/8+7/8 then 6/8 then 3/4 then 12/16
i'll upload it to my site when i come home (in 25 minutes) if anyones interested
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 08:54 [#00763594]
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6/8 is basically like 2 bars of 3/4. BASICALLY.
but just remember, in 6/8 the accent is usually on the 1 and
the 4.... giving it a triplet feel.
whoa slow down with the tech talk guys ;)
ah ill just try some buttons.. the track is coming along just fine now
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 08:56 [#00763596]
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yeah please upload it for me... so i can listen what all this odd stuff sounds like
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-01 08:56 [#00763597]
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Triplets are NOT 3/4 people
triplets are when you count 1 2 3 4 but are laying the 1 2 3 at the same time as 4/4
like this: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-01 08:56 [#00763598]
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ah fuck....doesnt look like it should
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-01 08:56 [#00763600]
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sure man... :D
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 09:01 [#00763606]
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huh?
triplets are subdivisions of a beat... in 3.
so you have 1 2 3 4, but in each of these beats, you have 3s, instead of 2s or 4s.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-01 09:02 [#00763608]
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That's more like a polyrhythm - there'd be a phase shift from bar to bar, which is cool too. I love the way King Crimson does that all over the Discipline album. Which reminds me, there's a stick player at the jazz fest in an hour - I should get off my ass and go see him.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 09:02 [#00763609]
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and yes, i know triplets are not 3/4...
but when you are doing 6/8, slowly, it can sound much like 2 bars of 2/4 with triplets, or just 2 bars of 3/4
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-07-01 09:03 [#00763614]
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think that's tough? I made a track once iwth 10/8 and 13/8 alternating (no joke) :)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 09:04 [#00763618]
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sounds cool
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2003-07-01 09:06 [#00763621]
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i've been doing stuff in thirds, jazzwaltz type stuff.
try writing two loops of the exact same time length -- like two of about 3 seconds -- but have one loop hit the third notes -- (every .25 sec) and have one loop hit quarters -- (every .37 sec, or half of .75) then mix them together. It's crazy but if you time it right it just may work. I've written some tracks in 5/4 that some quite good.... they're noisy as all fuck but they're good.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 09:08 [#00763626]
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like...
*--*--*--*--*--* *---*---*---*---
? thats a polyrythem
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 09:08 [#00763627]
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hey i know triplets... its like 1...2...3...4...| X....X....X....|
with X at 1, 2 1/3 and 3 2/3
or something...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 09:10 [#00763629]
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triplets are like
1---2---3---4--- 1**2**3**4**
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-01 09:18 [#00763638]
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i have uploaded the track...but i have to excuse for the raw sound...it was one from my first project, but i'm thinking of making a remastering soon.
the track is called "beat in a bottle" and it's under "music" on stvn.tk
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zetre
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-07-01 12:26 [#00763813]
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1**2**3**4** that´s it.
btw, check out "Rakimou" by Plaid. That one is in 6/8 if I recall correctly.
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quantum_echo
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-01 12:29 [#00763816]
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erm...what does 6/8 etc. mean?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-01 12:33 [#00763820]
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i like to write in any meter except 4'4
i like 5/4 6/8 and other's
here is a track in a mish mash of time signatures ranging from 4/4 to 9/8 (i think) it'll be on my ep coming out soon.
it's called anthill
i've posted it here before but give a listen if you haven't heard it. (please)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-01 12:36 [#00763823]
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6/8 means that there are 6 beats to the measure, and the eigth note is the note value that gets the beat
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-01 12:37 [#00763824]
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well i never took any theory. i just like to use fucked up time signatures. it forces me to 'think outside the box' or some shit.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-07-01 12:37 [#00763826]
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*is interested
JAroen, i kinda dig that track! :D
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-01 12:39 [#00763829]
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If you don't know theory, how do you know what the box is?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-01 12:40 [#00763831]
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actually, i've always kinda wondered what time signature my track 'anthill' is in. if any of you trained musicians would like to count it out for me i would appreciate it.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 12:41 [#00763832]
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ah shit junktion your site wont load evolume downloading yours now
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-01 12:44 [#00763837]
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hmmm... you just blew my mind.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 12:46 [#00763842]
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some funky ants you have evolume! nice track...
altho im not sure about the time...
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-07-01 12:49 [#00763845]
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heheh whats next..
57/13 time? :P
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