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i have always wanted to like NIN but been a haterr. last night howeverr i was rreally tirred and i put Pretty Hate Machine on and i just got lost in it. i paid less attention the lyrrics and just listened in the calm of my tirredness. grreat album. i have to say i'm still not so keen on Trents voice, but so what. |
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to the lyrrics* |
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never really listen to NIN lyrics. it never helps. PHM is my favourite album probably. |
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i love Trent's voice... : ) (except on some of Still's acoustic track versions when his voice goes nasal) |
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NIN sounds best when you don't listen to Trent. God! what a whiner. |
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Thom Yorke's voice is the whiniest. |
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Admittedly whiny...but atleast the suject matter of the whining is not so infuriatingly teen-angsty. No offence...to each his own...I was just putting across my POV |
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no, you're right, NIN is total teenage-angst! i understand it can irritate people : ) (what does POV mean?) |
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point of view |
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thanks. |
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I'm getting more and more into NIN, I LOVE The art of self destruction (part two) on Further down the spiral.....so much anger and hate in it. Rock hard! |
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agreed. Pretty Hate Machine's a great album. |
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I've always been a big NIN fan but i agree, Trent's lyrics/vocals are a bit lacking sometimes. He has been extremely influential/innovative though. just look at all the copy-cats. they're still showing up. also, the soundtrack he produced for Natural Born Killers is one of my favorites. |
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yeah. his influence has even reached PC gaming (Quake). |
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I have never actually pursued nine inch nails, but have secretly liked him/them for some time. My friend let me borrow PHM about a year ago but never listened to it much. A few weeks ago I put it in again and found it riveting, exciting, beautiful, angst-ridden... yummy! I even like his voice most of the time. I am a sucker for early 90s/late 80's synthpop with all of its shimmering synths and cheesy drum machines, and I am also a closet industrial fan, so Trent's mix of the two was the perfect thing for me. Great album. |
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ugh, i listene dot phm today and its loaded with cheesiness and fluff. its VERY dated and a lot of the songs i never liked but there are some great tracks but i think its by the far the worst\least good nin album. down in it is godawful, i hate when he raps. |
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All That Could Have Been is by far the worst NIN release. Trent's voice has gone through a downward spiral on this album. really sad you know? because it's only going to get worse. No one's mentioned The Fragile yet. an incredible album when you leave out Starfuckers aaand most of the lyrics really bad rhymes |
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Ah fuck that, he sucks. And anyone who brought Marilyn Manson to the attention of millions needs skullfucking! |
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on the song "That's What I Get" from Pretty Hate Machine...anyone notice his over-pronunciation of the line "get" in the chorus? he kind of goes: "That's what I get-ah...That's what I get-aaah" really funny, great NIN moment |
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Anyone who let Marilyn Manson take complete creative control over the band needs skullfucking (Holy Wood, Golden Age) |
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he's even collaborated with RDJ on Further Down The Spiral. "At the Heart Of It All" was done entirely by Aphex Twin. |
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I'm glad english isn't my first language... i think otherwise trent's lyrics might have really annoyed me. But now there's always some distance... and it helps me to focus more on the music (which often is amazing with nin). I don't mind his voice. It's not amazing, but it gets the job done. |
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admit it anus! you're secretly hoping that one day you'll be allowed backstage at a NIN concert where trent reznor will proceed to fuck you like an animal! but filth aside, 'pretty hate machine' is pretty lame compared to 'the downward spiral' which is a work of pure genius in my opinion! i absolutely love every single track on that album - he hasn't been able to top it since, as far as i'm concerned. |
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that said, 'something i can never have' is a wicked track! fantastic lyrically and great musically. |
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what the fuck is wrong with NINs lyrics? truth: the downward spiral & the fragile is two of the best albums of all time. period! |
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they arre a bit cliche. i could wrrite them. |
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though there IS research in all NIN, not only in the music... (always the same about TDS - a good read : )) |
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wow, that's a thoughtful article. now I just need to stop waiting for closer to be on the radio and buy the album :D. |
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best NIN song ever? Burn definately. |
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if you ain't wit' it, you ain't wit' it. move on to something else, don't dis it. |
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if i wanted something really positive i probably wouldn't be here right now. hell, i would probably be on the dave matthews messageboard. |
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i despise pretty hate machine the only song i like is something i can never have and i think trent's voice is terrible on still because he recorded most of the songs right after the fragility tour, which was not very smart in my opinion - but i guess it makes it RAW |
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still is awesome, way better than aatchb, still is one of the best nin releases. I cant decide if i like downward spiral or the fragile better. their are some weak points on the fragile, he tries to rap again on one or two tracks and i dont like starfuckers, its just annoying. the instrumental tracks are superb however. what about broken and fixed, what do you think about those? i think broken is good but theres some weak stuff on it too and i havent heard fixed yet(the only nin that i havent heard) |
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i thought the actual song 'and all that could have been' sounded something stabbing westward would write! no offense to the man, i'm sure anything they would write would be much worse. |
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you've got to be fucking kidding, that's the best song trent has ever written. MoG: "last" is a little weak but broken is top notch, especially when you need the adrenaline rush. |
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i'm not kidding, can you please go on a tirade about how i am an absolute fool for not thinking this is the best song trent has ever written? it's not a bad song. i like it a lot. but in my humble opinion, it's far from his best work. |
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trent should ditch the rock styles he seems to like so much at the moment and make some electronic industrial (instrumental) stuff, and id be back on board. Im too old for the angst. |
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I love nine inch nails but I've been following him for a long time and I'm getting kinda sick of his hyping the next album years before he puts it out. His lyrics are kinda childish at times, but it should be noted that some of his 'cliches' were not cliches when he wrote them. downward spiral was his best album, and i don't think he'll ever top it, but the fragile was quite good. Prick, his mentor and previously fellow-nothing-artist, far surpasses him, I've decided. |
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I have heard... that Maynard, the infamous singer from Tool, is working with Trent as we speak... I'm hoping they click and we hear some brilliance the likes of which industrial has never heard before... stay tuned |
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no, aatchb is definately not the best tracks on still, the last 2 tracks are freaking phenomenal, especially the last one, my god thats good. after reading that nin dissertation, (sickamongthepure.net), i listened to downward spiral again and its even better now, i listened to the fragile and i like it less than before, now i like the downward spiral best, its amazing. the themes and way everything works together in excellent. the lyrics are very good on most of his albums i dont understand the complaints about them. the fragile has a lot of not so good tracks (cough...starfuckers...cough...and alot of tracks on disc2) the instrumental tracks on the fragile are all top notch and i love the fragile but it doesnt seem to hold together as well as an album as the downward spiral. |
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Since reading that article, and based on my adoration for Closer (from radio play and mp3), and based on my love for Pretty Hate Machine, and from the suggestion from a friend *gasp*, I finally went and bought TDS. :*) It's excellent, as expected. Great music and thoughtful lyrics.. and best of all, I love the narrative, or thematic quality the article discussed more in depth. Really added a new dimension to the experience. I've always liked concept albums, and this one easily fits into the category. |
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For all the people that like the spiral best your problebly going to like the new CD. The fragile wasnt just Trent, it was made by like a million different people (Dr.Dre even worked on one song), From everything I gathered, the new cd is going to be a loud commercial success mostly produced by trent, that is going to be backed up with a smaller venue tour. All the albums are gold, but the remix albums are kind of stinky (minus the new one) If you want to here some good tunes check out ohGr. Its fucking amazing. Ah and KICK IT by nitzer ebb is a cool song : ) |
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i like the fragile more than TDS but i played TDS out.. plus i'm all about musical growth and the fragile just kills TDS, which is quite a feat considering how amazing TDS was for the time. i agree that trent's lyrics can be very childish, not thematically but on a child level of thought (juvenile) and technique (some really clumsy rhymes, images, and metaphors). you really think prick is all that? i haven't listened to the first album in years now but when i got it i was really disappointed and i don't consider him anywhere near as musically gifted as trent. MoG: i agree w/ you on the closing 2 tracks of still, they are masterpieces. but i do think AATCHB is the best "song" (singable; has lyrics) trent's ever written, up there with "hurt", "something i can never have", "wish", etc. AATCHB is just so well-written lyrically. it shows major progress in song structure: restraint, un-forced rhymes, less strict/conventional formatting (not verse/chorus/verse), etc. |
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what a weird thing to say. while the fragile is definitely trent's most collaborative album, it's hardly the work of "a million different people". dre mixed down one song ("even deeper") to 16 tracks from the original 64. steve albini engineered a little bit, but not the whole album (maybe a couple tracks). but unlike past albums, some of the songs were co-written, notably with danny lohner (a musical mastermind in his own right), charlie clouser, and keith hillebrandt. these are just a few songs on a double album that spans i believe 27 tracks, and some of the co-writing was just programming and generally tweaking work trent had already done. so even though there were slightly more personnel than on TDS it wasn't much of a departure; it was still very much trent's baby. you don't like the remix albums?! for a puppy fan i figured you'd at least like Fixed and March of the Pigs... i don't think it's safe any more to hypothesize on what the new album will sound like.. everything trent said about the next album is really dated now; he could've totally changed gears (and from the weird design of the new nin.com page it doesn't lend itself to the violent synth music description he once ascribed to it). |
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all right i relistened to this 'and all that could have been song,' and i think i like it less when i listen more critically. lyrically especially...i like the line 'ice is starting to form, i'm locked inside yadda yadda.' but i'm definitely not feeling the chorus at all! none of it. |
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I agree with whoever said Kevin McMahon, aka Prick is better than Trent. No question. Well, as far as songwriting and lyric writing go. Trent has him on the technological aspects of music making, but Kevin's pretty impressive at that as well. The Wreckard, Prick's second album was written and recorded entirely by him... here's what he has to say: Could you describe the recording process for The Wreckard? That's been experimental. I record on four audio tracks and also use MIDI. I don't use any computers. I work with four-track digital audio. I just limit myself to those confines. Everything produced by myself was on four tracks. As far as processing, I used an AKAI 3000 sampler and then put it into digital audio and then ran it through some amps. I don't have any computerized processing stuff or a mixer. It's analog on the fly. Are you anti-digital? No. I started developing a style on a limited framework. I'm not trying to be a purist. It leant itself to being a more bonsai type of situation, figuring out how to do it without so much aid. ------- Now compare the Wreckard to the fragile... where Trent had a huge studio, 64 tracks, lots of helpers... and Wreckard's a better album. That you may not agree with me on, but you have to admit it sounds good, and is even more impressive considering the recording technique. I have the unfair advantage in having heard lucky pierre material... maybe the two prick albums don't automatically make someone see that he's a better songwriter than trent... but just trust me... kevin's incapable of writing a bad song. catchy hooks come out of him like a bodily function. not to say songwriting is all about catchy hooks. |
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actually, i have to say i have heard the wreckard, and i thought it sucked besides the third song. it was messy, disjoint, and i disagree with your statement that kevin's incapable of writing a bad song, because i thought that there were plenty on the wreckard. but as they say, opinions are like assholes. |
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for once i agree w/ you.. wasn't impressed w/ the wreckard either, but i need to give it another listen since so many people on that "other" board like it. don't think the stuff vacant posted qualifies as besting trent either, lots of people restrict themselves to certain tools or instruments and it doesn't make their music necessarily better or more interesting. |
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Trent Reznor is a genius, I just keep buying more and more NIN. |
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I've never listened to NIN... What is it like? A friend once recommended him/them to me after I got him into Aphex Twin... |
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