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I think its a really, really smart move Global Goons doing. He is cuttin off the middle man, and independent is the way to go, if youre not a gold/platinum artist (or if u get shitloads of advance money, but hey, u have to pay back that anyway so..). I mean he will make decent money off this record like maybe 18000$ straight in his hand just by cuttin the label off. I know a lot of cats who got their "own thangs" going on (little sites, sellin their stuff out their van, thru the net etc etc) and they making a lot of more money now when they are independent than when they was signed. |
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yeah, i think it's a good idea too. if he sells em all, he can just do a repress money in the bank! *sees Goon swimming in notes* |
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Agreed, seems like the logical next step to me... |
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I mean u dont even want to be signed to a "shitty" label like warprecords, im just gonna be honest.... They dont got a clue how to operate because they always want to play it safe. They fucking act like theyre doing a artist like Luke Vibert a favor (by giving an artist deal) but Im he is really doing them a favor. I mean he sold like at least 50000 records thru his career, I mean hes like a million dollar machine ;) but they folded….and they (warprecords) wanna act like theyre doing him a favor… |
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Warp Records is not doin nothing for any artist in fact. They just looking for that fast buck like "Come on lets sell 10000 records"... Then theyll lure you in by promising $7.00 or $8.00 a record. You will be like "oh good" as if you were getting major label cuts then you get the contract BONG!!!!!!!!.... A dollar fucking fifty!!!! (been there done that, not seeing any money at all) On an label that u own, I mean if u release the shit by yourself or a "decent" independent label the CD goes for $13-$16!!!! 7 dollars!!! Thats what they want to pay you? They’re like we made u, we support u , we advertise u, "We put up the money". Im like HELL NAW im doing this shit independent by myself, im making more money that way, I havent seen a cent. Im making more cash selling 1000 on my own than 10000 on a label, thats it period,. |
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Warp Records is not doin nothing for any artist in fact. They just looking for that fast buck like "Come on lets sell 10000 records"... Then theyll lure you in by promising $7.00 or $8.00 a record. You will be like "oh good" as if you were getting major label cuts then you get the contract BONG!!!!!!!!.... A dollar fucking fifty!!!! (been there done that, not seeing any money at all) On an label that u own, I mean if u release the shit by yourself or a "decent" independent label the CD goes for $13-$16!!!! 7 dollars!!! Thats what they want to pay you? They’re like we made u, we support u , we advertise u, "We put up the money". Im like HELL NAW im doing this shit independent by myself, im making more money that way, I havent seen a cent. Im making more cash selling 1000 on my own than 10000 on a label, thats it period,. |
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Yeah, but do you think Global Goon would also be able to sell any copies of Family Glue if he didn't have a couple of cd's out on Rephlex? He needed them to become "famous" and get his music heard... or not? Let's say -theoretically- that i would have made a cd with the exact same music that is on Family Glue... i honestly don't think i'd be able to sell 2000 copies of that! I think it'd be really hard (if not impossible) to do thing as a beginning artist. |
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I think i might be doing something similar soon. it's a good idea me thinks. |
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I think the reason people like trent reznor, faithless, etc. can effectively make their own record labels and sell stuff via them is that they have used established labels to get themselves known. We'd all buy stuff from music70 if boc put all future releases out on that. Had they always just been on that label funding their own releases, we may not have heard of them. I agree it's a good idea once artists are in an established position though. Props to the goon for his savvy business sense :) |
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just look at necro, he came out of no where, sellin like 25000-80000 copies making money. and now he got his own label. IM TELLING U this!!!If your music is ALL THAT, if your music is something special that a lot of people want to hear, u WILL definitly find 1000 people from the world who are willing to buy your stuff. I havent heard ONE artist form this site who is even half as good as Global Goon (ok maybe Ochre) so thats why no one will buy your stuff, and ofcourse promotion is important BUT.......u know whats more important or lets say THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR..yall know that we got a lot of imitators here, u got these little AFX clones, u got BOC clones u got AE clones BUT yall know that me and everyone else rather buy the "ORIGINAL" than the biters material. Global Goon got his own style and no one sounds like him thats why im buying his music/childs. |
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Surrounded has a point here. And of course Warp can't offer the artists the same amount of money as if the artist sold the record from a website like GG do. I think Warp does a good job spreading good music. It's nothing wrong being able to make money of it either... |
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"Yeah, but do you think Global Goon would also be able to sell any copies of Family Glue if he didn't have a couple of cd's out on Rephlex? He needed them to become "famous" and get his music heard... or not?" NOT You cant get caught up in things that everybody else is doing, be creative, be yourself and be original. and if u gonna "bite" someones elses style, do it well like some of these imitators does, they does it so good that its sometimes even worth gettin heheh ;) I wont say names tho.. It's all about originality. |
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That's a very simplistic view of how things work Arch. |
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"I wont say names tho.. " Freescha? ;) |
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You have good points but in order to sell records you need to promote records and the sad fact is that no matter how much talent you have people not on labels are just not taken seriously. It's like "you're not signed, therefore you can't be any good". This thinking isn't right, but what can you do? You can change your own opinion, but that only makes one sale for the unsigned artist. Basically if you aren't noticed you aren't going to sell anything. The label does the hard work of promoting you, that's all really. It also can give you a "trendy" group to be associated with. These things lift your name up above the countles others clamouring to be heard. Without the promotion, few people will take notice. That said, if you can make even a small name for yourself, get some good deals on production/mailing and get a good percentage back on each disc sold you can make a worthwhile sum. It doesn't matter if you only sell 2000 discs. You'll still make a nice profit. I guess it comes down to a bit of savvy and a fair whack of luck. The label cuts out some of the need for luck. |
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no, thats the truth. Im not saying that all these artists who are signed got it, no no nono nonnonoo hell no (we talking electronic music, right?). Im just saying can u name one artist that u know that I should listen to, who is mad ORIGINAL, talented and makes dope music??? I will buy his music the second I hear it if I like it. He will have my 16 quid in his mail box the next day for sure. and another question how many AE clones do the world need??? |
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I personally rather be on a label, and get small paychecks, then do it solo, and get bigger paychecks. Its all about the music right? I just want to spread my music. Thats the whole joy of releasing music... not for the money, but the fact that you are sharing your music with people, and they are enjoying it. I think its kind of rediculous to even think that you can make a living making electronic music. Only the top guys can do that. Everyone else, I bet you has day jobs. |
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i totally agree with that - i personally do not believe anyone that has a career in the arts/media should have a paycheck that overshadows the people that make the country work (policemen, government, middle class workers). music SHOULD be free. that is why i believe that mp3s are fair game. as long as we are not stealing something physical (ie the medium the music is on) then i think it is perfectly fine to enjoy the art that someone has created. as do i believe that if you truly enjoy a particular painting, you may take a picture, or d/l a picture, and not need to snatch it from the gallery. |
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take a picture as in photograph it that is |
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"If your music is ALL THAT, if your music is something special that a lot of people want to hear, u WILL definitly find 1000 people from the world who are willing to buy your stuff." Hm... i guess you could be right. Sometimes i hear songs from people on this board that do sound really good. If they had a real album for sale, i'd buy it. And then if there were more people willing to do that, i suppose it could work. But being on a label definitly has it's advantages though. If the rephlex-site announces a new cd by an unknown artist, everyone becomes curious and interested. Because if rephlex thought it was good enough to release, than it must be interesting. This is what recordcompanies do, listen to all the music that is out there, and pick out the few albums worth listening to. I think it would be terrible if we didn't have recordcompanies anymore. It would be almost impossible to discover any good new artist. Because there are so many not-so-great amateurs out there... it would become tedious having to listen to all that until you find something interesting. But in your post you specifically said: "If your music is ALL THAT" so i guess in that case you are right :-) And i do think it's a smart move global goon is making now. He has complete control over everything he does, and earns more money per cd. |
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you just answer "NOT" and don't explain why not then. Rephlex has a name, has a reputation - more people listen to your stuff, so Global Goon got more people to listen to his stuff. anyway, if you're doing it for the money you're in the wrong business. and Surrounded: "This is what recordcompanies do, listen to all the music that is out there, and pick out the few albums worth listening to." no. they don't. they listen to a small portion of the music that is out there, really quickly and pick only the stuff they like. that's all. |
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"no. they don't. they listen to a small portion of the music that is out there, really quickly and pick only the stuff they like. that's all." Well isn't that kinda the same thing i was saying? Ofcourse they don't listen to everything out there... most labels are specialised to a specific genre... right? And from what i've understood they get ALOT of music sent to them that they have to listen to, so it follows that they can only listen to them really quickly. And the stuff they like = the stuff they think will sell = the music worth buying :-p |
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