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Just caught the arse end of an article on the news this morning, so I may well have got the wrong idea, but I think I heard them say as of today a joint effort by the large record lables will become active. Rather than targetting P2P/server side of file sharing, they will be logging the individuals (presumably by IP address) who DL music and they will be suing those individuals. I imagine they'll hope that after a few 100 people it'll scare everyone into stopping doing it. |
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On a side note, I think if P2P was ever actually stopped entirely (dunno how) record sales would drop a great deal in more "underground" genres like IDM. |
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fuck.. this is so stupid... i hope they aint gonna nail soulseek as well... kazaa users seem to be their primary targets.. the cunts screwed someone i know over, he had sattelite internet and downloaded movies on kazaa like he was eating crackers... 10000 ¤ fee or something... cunts |
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yeah ! I heard that companies will be able to sue individuals for downloading their music =os |
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make your own :D |
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Even if a method which people can't get around is implemented, peopel will just mail each other mp3 CDs/dvds in real life rather than via the web... |
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hehe I'll tell you all it's on slsk and then sue tha lot of ya ! MWA HA HA HA HA |
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or use private ftps. |
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Big corporations are, in their structure and their practice - but not in the public image, very much like totalitarian states. The workers (the public/workers, dependant on the corporation/state for their wellbeing) are ruled by a doctrine or agenda set forth by individuals in an hierarchy where, in the end, one person can decide what everyone else must do. You, as a worker, are not allowed to say what you like about the corporation - unless it fits in with the agenda or doctrine. Failing to comply can lead to the loss of your job or repositioning (in totalitarian states this is ofcourse execution or you're sent away to a laborcamp). Big corporations like Disney, McDonalds and our dear record industry can, with help from numerous lobbyists and other financial means like blackmail, gagging people with lawsuits and what not, in practice change laws to their favor. This is sidestepping the public, which in the end are the ones that have elected the people that are now changing these laws on behalf of companies that have no bussiness messing around in lawmaking or any other area governed by publicly elected officials. I bet that if you asked everyone to vote on issues like this you'd get an overwhelming number of votes saying that things are ok as they are. But I can't know that for certain... Damn...I had something to say, but I lost track right from the start I think. |
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It's an unforceable law. Every time i use kazaa there's about 4 million users online. The chances of getting caught and prosecuted are about the same as the chance of winning the lottery. And i don't do the lottery. |
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just imagine how it would feel to be one of those 100 people though -- sucks to be them! |
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Only takes them to start offering $10 rewards for every IP addy of an offender for "Bounty Hunters" to start befriending people to catch the 100 or so users of an FTP :/ |
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*of an offender that leads to a successful prosecution. |
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Vive la Resistance! |
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I think you'll see a growth in closed networks between friends or online communities. For example, 10 or 20 people from this board could get together to share their stuff on a network not accessible by the rest of the world. Such a group could co-ordinate their CD purchases so that one person bought a particular CD and shared it with the group. |
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I think "Hotline" has been much like that for a long time. But there are one, or sometimes two, servers that hosts Avant Garde, Electronic, Fieldrecordings, Classical, Early Electronic and so on... But they have a limited bandwidth and therefore the slots are often full. |
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I think the last thing they wanna do is piss off a bunch of hackers. But I bet that won't really happen unless they went after IRC. The only thing people get busted for on IRC is fraud and chlidporn. If record companies would have slowly dropped their prices from when CD's first popped on the scene like they promised they wouldn't be hurting so bad now. People only buy that Clear Channel distrobuting crap for those singles. Poor bastards should back acts that filla blum,paosjd f940- I;m fucked.... I;m gonna stop balblbing beofer me start...; |
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Sorry, didn't see this thread when I posted my link thing :-( (I'll get me coat) |
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Everyone here is fucked then!! :D |
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i'm not ;-) |
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theres an article on www.nme.com |
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There is always the exception to the rule......you can come along with me and visit the others in prison then! Hehehe |
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:-D hehe, yes we can bake them a cake and hide a saw in it. |
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Eh, ofcourse i mean one of , not the selected ambient works ;-) |
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You could bake a cake and hide an mp3 cd of SAW 2 in it- that'd be funny :) |
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I was thinking along the lines of a cake with a rocket launcher inside! :P |
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lol, oh that's subtle! No-one will ever know :-p |
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It is time that this was taken to the courts so that the protestors can have their say in mass, so that laws can be challenged |
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yeah......i've heard something 'bout this.... |
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fuck them... we will never stop sharing... never! not till they drop the prizes like 60% |
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"we will never stop sharing... never!" Not even if you get caught and have to pay 150.000 dollars?! |
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another way of sharing will appear...I am sure first they went with napster then it was audiogalaxy... but it always a new way of sharing... (I am for mp3 sharing... cos after all I always end up buying the cds I am interested in) |
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Add him to the list surrounded.....we'll have to set out a lot earlier on visiting days...to get around all the inmates |
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sue me forr what, clicking a button that says download. i'm not the muthafucka that put it therre, so fuck them, they can sue me. i'm skint anyway. stupid tarrts. |
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59 million Americans swap files how many pot smokers are there they'll never legalize file trading because the american dollar is made of hemp |
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I'm with you all the way joakimlinden. I can't even believe there are persons outside of the corporate criminals who actually agree on the shit that those big corporations pull on us all the time. Calling MP3 sharing theft and serious criminal activity while the real criminals are the corporations. MP3 will not destroy the world, but the totalitarian rule of the corporations will. They forcefeed their rules down our throat and if you don't like it you get sued for amounts of money they know you don't have anyway. I see the ones who will get sued over this as martyrs for personal freedom. The fascist corporations are getting more cheeky and bold by the year and more aggressive in their approach, it's quite scary to see some scenario's of bleak future's come to pass in reality. I wouldn't be surprised if there'd be a thought-police anytime soon. "hey what's that you were thinking there?" "that's a criminal offense buddy, I'm taking you in!" |
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if I could download an album for $5 - any album - I bet I'd have alot more mp3s |
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"They forcefeed their rules down our throat" Hey it's not like they force you to buy their product. They just offer music on compact discs, and if you like what they've got to offer you can buy it. If you don't like the product -> don't buy it. If you think the prices are too high -> don't buy it. But you can't go around pretending that filesharing isn't theft. |
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There's the problem. I think the RIAA companies would happily let you download an album at a fairly low price, but they don't want you downloading mp3s because they just escape onto P2P again. I think we need to get over our aversion to DRM technology. I think the industry is aiming for a pay-per-download or monthly subscription based model for online music distribution *but* they're held back by the lack of adequate DRM. Why make all your content available when someone is just going to convert it to mp3 and stick it on Kazaa? As soon as content can be delivered to the end-user in a format that won't allow it to end up on P2P then I reckon we'll start seeing some pretty good offerings by the record companies. |
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I think the illusion that people own music is retarded. In Jamaica they have no copyright laws. Metallica fucking sucks since the 1980's. |
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So presumably you extend that to any other form of creative endeavour? |
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I suppose. I think it's different when it is an individual item like a painting. But something/anything that can be duplicated is well faregame. Musics origins had not much to do with monetary demands as far as I can gather. The monks who developed notation were doing it in an effort to better understand God through music. |
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yeah, so don't steal an object but digital space is a meta-reality, that is, it's not tangible |
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I c you just don't understand what real criminal activity is then. And it sure isn't the petty theft that is downloading MP3's. Besides that, I was talking about rules they make and laws they can change to their benefit with their corporate pressure and influence. Judges can be bribed and threatened. It's like when some hotshot actor or football stare drunkendrives some poor git to death or rapes a girl, and gets negligable punishment (or no punishment at all even!) because of special treatment and circumstances(well he is this big huge star you know,he does play very good soccer/plays in nice movies!), while a nameless person such as you and me would get 25 to life over it. It's all about recognizing the real criminals, and they don't always look like bums, sometimes, and this may come as a total shock to you I know this sounds crazy but, sometimes they wear suits and a ties,have money bulging out of their pockets,look really well groomed and use comprehensive language. |
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"and this may come as a total shock to you I know this sounds crazy but, sometimes they wear suits and a ties,have money bulging out of their pockets,look really well groomed and use comprehensive language." What? No... you must be mitaken!! Everybody knows someone wearing a suit can never be a criminal! :-p |
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But basically what i'm trying to say is: i don't care if they are criminals. They (the music-industry) could be the most horrible human beings on the planet... but that still doesn't make it right to steal from them. Downloading and sharing (illegal) mp3's is against the law. You just can't get around that. |
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Wow. I read Wired and AdBusters. I read. Sometimes when I read there are these spaces between the lines. They tell me to marmer people like you describe. But I was once taught that reality is what you believe. So I ignore those people unless I can interact with them at a common level. Yes, this is quite like the 9/11 setup... they have their control over our emotions. I cry myself to sleep and I hate corporate america. |
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Stealing implies theft (in the legal sense) and copyright violation is not theft. It's just a word, but it's annoying to hear the same mistake over and over again. |
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it's bullshit, all these artists talking about not making enough money. Missy Elliot has a bed made out of a fucking ferarri. not a replica, a real ferarri. Britany Spears sends her private jet accross country JUST TO GET COFFEE. If you watch a show like MTV CRIBS it becomes painfully obvious that these people have completely lost touch with what music making is about. They say they 'work hard' and deserve to be paid. i say they ARE getting paid. They are getting paid WAY TOO MUCH. I hope people keep stealing their music, and big record companies can't afford to produce these 'artists.' Then maybe money won't be the only thing driving people to make music. and music in general well become better. |
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"copyright violation is not theft. " copyright violation is just another word for theft, designed to make the copyright violators feel better about themselves. Knowing they are not really thieves, just copyright violators. |
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