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Xanatos from NYC on 2001-10-26 23:10 [#00045900]

I finally got drukqs, after not downloading any mp3's at
all, waiting and waiting for months. Dissapointment is the
only word that comes to mind.

People are in awe of his emotionless piano playing, although
avril 14th is a nice tune its nothing amazing. Maybe its
because my brother is a piano player and I have been exposed
to classical/piano music all of my life. But what he did
there was nothing out of this world. Most of the other
piano/clavicord tracks are so boring I had to struggle with
myself to let them play all the way through.

There are 5 tracks I like, on two CD's.
Vordhosbn
Omgyjya Switch7
Bbydhyonchord
among others

And even those tracks for the most part sound like some
crazy squarepusher which you listen to a while for and then
never play it again. Even my low expectations for it were
dismayed.

I mean even bad aphex songs are great, but the aphex magic
of ICBYD, RDJ Album, and other stuff (which can't be
expressed words) was clearly absent.

Is RDJ doing this on purpose?

If Boards of Canada betrays me like this with their new
album I think I'm going to have to start listening to more
Micheal Jackson, oh wait, he sucks now too.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still buy every cd RDJ releases for
the rest of eternity, but...well, you get the point.

Comments? Disagreement?

belxzchwch from the farm on 2001-10-26 23:14 [#00045905]

listen to it more. Try mixing it in with other aphex stuff.
At least half the tracks bear up to his other stuff. Still
think it could have been reduced to one CD though.
ICBYD is fantastic, but it still has dodgy moments
(Ventolin, video version anyone?)

Ian from NY on 2001-10-26 23:28 [#00045909]

Think of it this way, you payed 20 some dollars (or 30 some
pounds) for the good 5-track EP hidden in a 30 track double
album.

The reasons behind this mediocre release I've heard is
something about getting out of a contract (perhaps with Sire
records?)...so I can see how he might have just emptied his
harddrive to get it over with.

-Ian

Fresch from Trondheim, Norway on 2001-10-26 23:30 [#00045912]

??? What about "Ventolin"....?!
Oh, and by the way, am I the only one here who likes
"Father"?

ww_sketcher from Ottawa, Canada on 2001-10-26 23:38 [#00045915]

Yeah, DRUQKS, was kinda dissapointing for me...but some of
the highlights are preety good though.

e.g:
Jynweythek Ylow
Mt. Saint Michel Mix+St. Michaels Mount
Ruglen Holon
and some more...

overall, it is kinda dissapointing oh well.

But i just picked up SAW I so i'm a happy guy. ;)

belscxqwsch from the farm on 2001-10-26 23:39 [#00045916]

father, afx 237, taking control... thats where drukQs just
gets a little lame and uninteresting near the end.
Ventolin video version is probably the only IC BYD track i
always skip unless i am stoned. In which case its just more
noise. which is OK.

Intruder from chicago on 2001-10-26 23:51 [#00045922]

AH! good. i'm not the only one that doesnt like ventolin. i
didnt even like the remixes from the maxi. only time i'll
say, it sounds good is when it sounds nothing like the
original. like on the 'ventolin remixes' maxi. cylob mix
anyone?

Mutant Death Pengwin from Medicine Hat on 2001-10-26 23:58 [#00045928]

when i download the entire album i really didn't like it.
but one morning i smoked half a vial of oil and listened to
the entire album. with the help of being extremly stoned i
gained an appreciation for the album becuase it is extremely
complex, the complexities are very subtle but amazing.
thanks to oil i now have appreciation for an amazing album.

belchzxwcqch from the farm on 2001-10-26 23:59 [#00045929]

twas a concept work based around asthma (ventolin=asthma
medication) and the clanging, wheezing sounds are impressive
in that context, but it aint a pleasurable listen
Cylob is a decent mix though, yeah.

Anus on 2001-10-27 01:08 [#00045944]

The album has the same sort of dead, bland feel as NIN's The
Fragile.

Oliver on 2001-10-27 01:20 [#00045945]

ICBYD Rocks! I told so many people about DrukQs came out
that this is the real shit! I can't tell anyone I've got it
yet 'cos I don't know what it's about? I really don't want
to play 2 cds a million times so I brainwash myself into
liking it. There is 5 tracks that would be cool as an EP
but as an album or a listening experience it sounds like a
terrible prog record. I hope he's got this out of his
system. Give us some REAL aphex acid....soon.

rez from davis,CA on 2001-10-27 01:24 [#00045947]

call me weak, but i loved it the first 5 times i listened to
it ithink it's much, MUCH better than i care because you do,
in fact, i think it's his best since SAW 2 really....

drukqs is great... how could you not like kesson dalef??

EMU on 2001-10-27 01:25 [#00045948]

how often do you think you'll listen to this all the way
through?

Ophecks on 2001-10-27 01:46 [#00045961]

You know what? I think Drukqs is great. I was a little
underwhelmed, but now it's really coming around, it tastes
better. Really, it should grow on you. I think it's his
best, and I'm NOT jumping to conclusions, really. Better
than ICare and RDJ, methinks. AGREE WITH OPHECKS!

EMU on 2001-10-27 01:56 [#00045962]

It's no way as good as I care. There is no innovation or
humour. The piano things aren't a patch on piano solo's
that have been done for a hundred years, The ambient tracks
are nothing and the electronic tracks have good sections but
they've been edited till there's nothing there, 54 cymru
beats is cool! The other tracks have only fleeting moments.
It's not a great album, it leaves emptyness more than
fulfillment. ICBYD is the peak.

Ophecks on 2001-10-27 02:19 [#00045969]

I see what you're saying, maybe IC is the shit. But Drukqs
is great on its own terms, don't be comparing it to the rest
of 'em. Maybe it isn't too groundbreaking, but I don't think
it deserves all the criticism, eh? Fuck the rest of his
albums. Maybe a lil too much filler, agreed, but the good
stuff is real good, eh? If you don't like the filler, skip
it, I hate the pretentious fucks that say ''oh, you HAVE to
listen to the whole thing straght through, and have the
ACTUAL ALBUM, or you're not a real Aphex fan.'' Skip Father
and listen to Vordhosbn, lollippper.

Jimmy on 2001-10-27 02:19 [#00045970]

Ophecks on 2001-10-27 02:20 [#00045972]

Aw thanks Jimmy! But I'm taking you to court, ya bleedin'
copydog.

Marvelon from UK on 2001-10-27 02:23 [#00045974]

I didn;t download any mp3's either, for fear of spoiling
that magic moment when you listen to ir first. I really
liked the album on first listen, although I still really
have to listen to it properly (ie by myself, all of it in
one go, having a decent spliff)

But what about that Squarepusher comment? I listen to nearly
all of squarepusher's albums again and again and they just
seem to get better and better. The Sq albums I don;t often
listen to are the 'quiet' ones: Maxi, burning'n, budakhan
and rotted note.
Tom is definetly on the same level as Richard is.

rF from purf on 2001-10-27 04:10 [#00045986]

i've listened to drukqs all the way through some 20 times
and i'm not bored yet.
i think it's his best album, but tied with that are icbyd
and ab5 (does ab5 count though?)

fleckothegecko from confield on 2001-10-27 04:31 [#00045992]

first time i heard it, it seemed obviously reminisent of
NIN's the fragile. and in the same respect, it grows on you.
its also similar in its use of real instruments. NIN started
getting away from the "industrial" classification with the
use of stringed instruments. aphex twin gets away from his
reputation for programmed, heartless tracks(thats what
people think) with the use of piano. anyway, after listening
to the whole thing straight through, i immediately compared
it to the fragile. in the same way it sounds like one long
song at first, but each track grows. some slower than
others.

balthus from europe on 2001-10-27 11:52 [#00046037]

it's funny people are always comparing i care because you do
with drukqs... i like some tracks from icbyd a lot (mookid,
next heap, icct hedral), but i'm never in the mood for
buying that album. i guess it's a matter of taste. in my
case i prefer the ep.s and drukqs. perhaps it's also,
because i got only recently into aphex twin's music. i
listened to icbyd after listening to everything else (with
exception of drukqs, of course), and i was just as
dissapointed of icbyd as an album as some people here are
dissapointed of drukqs.

balthus from europe on 2001-10-27 11:54 [#00046038]

ps: just my personal opinion.

wizards teeth on 2001-10-27 12:04 [#00046039]

i love it and hate it

nanou 2 is cack

i am not a big fan of some of the piano tracks

i could listen to some of the tracks for ever

i love the one that sounds like a whip at the start

who am i to comment

well done richard if you are reading these messages or
sausages

PostModernVancouver from Urban PostModernVancouver< Canadaaaa on 2001-10-27 13:12 [#00046042]

In the case with Aphex, one must remember that everyone has
waited long and long for his 'new stuff'.
So, in the meantime a few years had to be withstood of
listening to the older, classic stuff which by this point
has become so familiar by most that its weird to have
something new and fresh amidst it.
This is often the case with anything in life..
Try moving to a brand new house after you've lived in your
familiar surroundings for about 10 to 15 years.
Once in the new place you're not going to find that
so-called 'soul' as your old familiar place will have, and
the same goes for this album.
The problem is that the wait for this album has been
extremely long, expectations will be too high, and some
fanatic people will almost get pissed off to the point of
saying": fuck you RDJ" so here is the new album.
I personally adore this album and have nothing but praise
for it, and I dont think that there has been another album
by any other artist within the past few years that has
satisfied me this much, as matter of fact , I dont think
there has been another artist that has come out with such a
diverse and heartwrenching album these past few years
period.
Trust me, a whole year from now, this album will most likely
be enjoyed as much as the other older Aphex albums.
Remember, RDJ is a trickster and an observer of these times
...erm better then most artists and his fans...he plays
people with this album for a few reasons......this album is
about the Now...Possible futures... and ones possible views
of it......
RDJ always stands around the corner waiting to fool those of
you that think he's "lost" it or whatever.
Peace....

Henry from Sweden on 2001-10-27 17:00 [#00046074]

You are right, very right!

I love Drukqs more and more... It was the same thing for me
with RDJ album, Squarepushers Go Plastic etc.

Ophecks on 2001-10-27 17:44 [#00046077]

I don't have it yet. It was delayed till the 13th on Nov
here, I want to cry. I only have the MP3s, FORGIVE ME,
FORGIVE ME!

Archrival from NY on 2001-10-27 20:22 [#00046109]

I was listening to ICBYD today and it struck me how equal it
is to Drukqs..ICBYD has all the styles on it too like = come
on you slags, ventolin and mookid totally different styles
etc.
I love both albums but I think that Drukqs is better (ICBYD
got my all time favourite AFX track though, Alberto
Balsalm).

Sound Assassin from The Studio on 2001-10-27 21:13 [#00046112]

I must admit on the whole I like it, I really don'y like
that track with the screaming or whatever it is...just plain
done before pointless "I'm sick" crap! A lot of the piano-y
trax sound very much like some wierd avant garde John Cage
stuff I have in my dusty cupboards.....

Still I like it!

Have fun

Frothbottom from New York on 2001-10-27 21:13 [#00046113]

Alberto Balsalm is my favorite too...

Nathan from Cardiff on 2001-10-27 21:42 [#00046118]

I can't believe that people have labelled Drukqs as bland!
I may stand alone on this but i thought RDJ had just set the
standards for braindance for the next ten years, it was
totally unlike anything else in its genre. It is a
groundbraking record, the piano pieces show this. Who else
would dare to release an album like this? The answer is a
musician. This is not an ablum released to please the fans,
thats clear, this is an album that RDJ has made because he
loves to create music. That is why this album is unique, as
no other artsit in his genre has had the security to do
this. And of course because its RDJ at his purest we have
seen him.

miff from cymru on 2001-10-27 21:48 [#00046120]

Someone mentioned go plastic. im a big squarepusher fan but
this was a right let down. Maybe i need top keep trying...

Ophecks on 2001-10-27 22:43 [#00046133]

The manic parts are SO manic, the calm parts are SO calm. I
like it a bundle, no doubt. 'Tis a bit uneven and weird, but
that comes with the territory, the guys a crazy cunt!

Xanatos from NYC on 2001-10-27 22:59 [#00046140]

Ok well a few things. I've been listening nothing but
druqks since I made this thread, and people are right, it
has started to grow on me. I am really into the first
couple minutes of track 2 on CD one, and the strange beat he
drops like 2 minutes into track 4, that is what aphex is all
about.

Honestly though, It doesn't have the aphex beauty to it.
Track 7 on CD one kind of reminds me of mookid which I like,
but its lost the old feeling.

I hope you are wrong Nathan that this sets standards for the
next ten years. Anyway, there never have been any standards
for braindance, thats why we all love it so much!

Archrival, Frothbottom: Right on, Alberto Balsalm is the
best IDM track ever made, in fact, it might be the greatest
five minutes of sound ever created by anyone. Maybe I am
taking it to far...the way I found this website was I was
listening to it one day, and I wondered, does this make
anyone else feel like it makes me feel? And I typed it into
google, and a thread on this message board came up,
'Beautiful Electronica Songs'...

Where the f'ck in new york are you guys from?

Quoth from Lincoln on 2001-10-27 23:01 [#00046141]

it sukqs your mom right up xanatos... hehe... no, really I
respect your opinion... it GROWS on you, trust me

-quoth

-a from --- on 2001-10-27 23:55 [#00046162]

I like Drukqs.

Mat from Birmingham, UK on 2001-10-28 00:05 [#00046166]

bland?? the fragile??? your joking?

Frothbottom from New York on 2001-10-28 02:30 [#00046188]

lberto Balsalm and Nannou have got to be some of my favorite
AFX songs, if not my favorite songs made by anyone. Nannou 2
was very disappointing though...

DeLtoiD on 2001-10-28 02:14 [#00046193]

very nice album richard.
avril 14th soundz like it would prolly take about 3 hands to
play live.

gl on MEN records (kant wait)

Narkotic from Orange County, CA, USA on 2001-10-28 02:24 [#00046194]

what a bunch of over-analyitical fucks... just buy it and
shut up

FreakyNinoBrown from usass on 2001-10-28 02:31 [#00046201]

what is this "oil" you speak of?...pcp?...or are you
actually smoking engine oil?....dude thats not cool

Narkotic from Orange County, CA, USA on 2001-10-28 02:33 [#00046203]

hash oil
honey oil
whatever the fuck you wanna call it, its pure extract THC:
tetrahydracannibinol, the main ingredient in Marijuana that
gets you fux0red.. good shit!

FreakyNinoBrown from usass on 2001-10-28 02:45 [#00046209]

wow i am a big pothead and i never even heard of oil(that i
recall)...gotta get me some of that ish...i feel like ive
been missing out...and no need to get faded to listen to
drukqs...it even works when you are sober...and anyone whos
ever programmed a drum machine should totally get off on
taking control...the concept, the song, hell the whole
album...its def grows on you...and leaving you want
more?(maybe from another thread i forget)..shouldnt any good
album leave you wanting more?...cause you cant get
enough?...right?...right

Marvelon on 2001-10-28 02:52 [#00046211]

Squarepusher's Go plastic on first listen is just another
squarepusher album, but he really is a genius. I listened to
it the first time, then put it away, then listened to it two
weeks later and was astonished!

c.herr.yy from ismambuff on 2001-10-28 06:54 [#00046272]

just remember children...HE DOESN'T MAKE HIS MUSIC FOR
YOU!!! TWATS!!!

Xanatos from NYC on 2001-10-28 06:57 [#00046274]

sure he does.

Aktium from Buffalo, NY on 2001-10-29 17:36 [#00046725]

Drukqs is amazing. its complex so you need to listen to it a
lot of times to break it down. its like the rdj album. at
first i thought it was all noise but the more i listened to
the more it broke down and i keep finding newer things on
the album even after listening to it 1,000 times. The same
is gonna happen to drukqs. Just give it time!!!

Ophecks on 2001-10-29 17:41 [#00046726]

Exactly!!! You get to know the songs and all their little
quirks. There's just so much to hear. Always some weird
thing to look forward to, while OTHER weird things are
happening.
Ziggomatic and SMMount are SLOOOOWLY making sense to me now.

ururu on 2001-10-29 17:44 [#00046729]

it's really funny how some people say about drukqs "you have
to listen to it a lot of times" or "it's too complex for
most people to understand", and then they'll turn right
around and talk about how autechre sucks, or it's just
noise. wake up, people - autechre has been doing this for
years. i am a huge fan but i still have to listen to an ae
album 30 - 40 times to even begin to discern all that's
going on. if you say that some people can't understand what
you listen to, then you should be willing to admit that you
aren't able to understand some things other people listen
to.

REPHLEX~ology from UK on 2001-10-29 18:08 [#00046735]

Yeah, I've had second bad vibel on my mp3 player for years,
and pratically listen to it every day.
When i first heard it, i loved the mental stuff, then i love
the dynamic. Now i notice the fuzz on the crackel as it goes
down my spine. I love that song so much.
Its the same with drukqs. When i first heard it, i tried to
like it, then i hated it. I left it for a few days, picked
it up again and it was amazing. Now i'm trying to get the
dynamic of each song.
Rich never makes it easy.

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