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Hey...I've been working with Reason for about a year now. I find it incredibly easy to use, but my sound seems to fit the early 90's era, and I haven't been able to find any techniques to deliver any sound comparable to drill n'bass, glitch, or "autechreish" stuff. I'm not too familiar with Fruity Loops, but I understand that it's quite popular here at xltronic. What benefits can Fruity Loops provide that are absent within Reason? How is the learning curve compared to Reason? Thank you my music gurus. |
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It is easy to do drill stuff with Reason :D |
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but it's easier to do it with floops, once you start to get a hang on floops. |
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It's possible to create autechreish stuff within reason it's way to long winded to explain here, Just use things for what they are not supposed to be used for. The new fruity loops is very easy to get quick results but loop based prodution does my head in. Do you have recycle and sound forge? |
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Floops where would i get that from? |
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floops is just short for fruityloops :D |
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;) |
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Oh shit well i'ev already got it then, oh well. |
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Yeah, I find the loopiness awkward after having worked with straight sequencers where there's one track per tone. But I'm getting used to it - it's worth it to be able to use DxIs and VSTs and Buzz generators all in the same project. I'm hoping that as it evolves they will add more traditional sequencer-based authoring options, like better cut and paste in the piano roll. |
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Reason 2.5 goes much further than other versions of Reason in producing half decent electronic sounding stuff. You can get some great sounds with the Scream and the Spider CV devices. |
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easy to do drill-stuff with reason you say? ...i ahve done all my shit in floops...check stvn.tk and download the track "you one minute warning" ....it's only one minute long...think you all can manage |
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dude come on reason is a kick ass music program and fruity loops is a breakfast cereal no fucking contest |
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I'm with you on this one reason 2.5 is the daddy! |
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but reason is such a hassle to download. |
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Buy it, It's worth spending the money on. |
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both are good. both are used by people whom i think are really great at music. both are quite different. i use fruity loops more, but reason is good to, and i like it. i dont see a reason in favoring one over the other. try em both, find out which one works better for you. |
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tell me, what does the spider splitter merger do? I've added this device but there was no difference in sound? And fooled myself by thinking that the vocoder was a device to mess about with vocals :\ I was anxious to get that proper robot sound as on daft punk and air's electronic performers. Damn I was disappointed, but the scream device made up for all that. |
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It splits cv signals or audio signals depending on which box you choose. |
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ok, but what effect does that have, is it an audible effect or does it just make the music sound more professional? I still don't understand :S ,sorry. |
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cubase sx kicks the shit out of everything |
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hey : fruity loops is just a tracker , maybe sounds and modeling od it is good, but it is good in real time - floops is shit when comes to plain songs.. reason is veery big so it takes time to understand all it's possibilities. i'm using reason from 1 year now, and i think thjat when comes to modelling hole song there is nothing better |
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could be but it's too complicated to me, I'll stick with reason where when I turn this button, a sound changes etc. I like the more inuitive stuff as I come from a background of using trackers, i'm already proud I can get sounds out of reason, something I've never been able to do with cubase. Maybe the 5 inch thick manual put me off, dunno. |
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and btw, I'm still clueless on how to make patterns in reason. What I want to do is make different patterns and have them follow up in whatever order I assign them to, but so far no result. With trackers, you just had a simple list that you could edit, so it was like 1,1,2,3,4,1,1 etc. |
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there is yellow "link " in control pannel near all rack's just plain some patterns in rack ( for example - redrum ) and then at control pannel hint yellow "link " ( dont remember the name ) you will get yellow pannel when you can plain this pattern ( of course you must first asaign that you are oppering in redum track ) by choosing . like a1 , a2 , b3 , b4 , b5 , simple hehehehehe |
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maybe i should capture creen's from reason, attach text to them and sell them as a interactive school of reason by me |
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yes do that please ;) |
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i dont know if you are joking or not but if not i may be able to help you - just e-mail me and tel me whats your problem - i wil help ( if i will able - coz im no genius at reason yet ) ha ! |
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if you want know power of reason patterns - just find my last thread where i gave coordinates to my account on iouma then download track called battle and listen , what can be create in reason, |
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i can't do screen grabs but i ay be able to help you somehow as well. |
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Yep...I've got Sound Forge, WaveLab Cubase, Recycle, and Rebirth (Hardly ever use anything but Sound Forge and WaveLab). I here what you're saying - I try to use the program in a way that it's not meant to be used. I'm having a little success with Recycle for some crazy ass drum loops. |
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I wasn't joking! well all I need to know is how to make the patterns follow-up(patterns change) to create a complete song. As in, I would have a few patterns for the chorus, a few for the intro, etc. , and then put them all in order. So basically to make pattern A1 be followed by pattern A2 etc. I should be real easy but somehow I can't figure it out. :\ |
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Cubase is a pain in my ass. I've been sampling my own sounds to try to rid that "Reasonish" sound that goes with the territory. The granular synth is pretty kick ass too. I don't suppose Reason does random beats eh? ;) |
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Dude....just play around with it for awhile and you'll figure it out. Trial and error (or you could just read the manual). OMG!!! I think I've found the problem with my sound....I'm too goddam lazy. |
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I read the manual, but the topic that addresses the issue is about 3 lines long, I tried that, it didn't work like the manual siad it should, and it gave no further explanation, I guess it's supposedly so easy it isn't worth spending any attention on in the manual. :S |
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You have to make sure that you hit the "run" button on the Redrum. Do you want to copy a drum loop to the sequencer? There is a small button above the "Run" button as well. Make sure that mofo is set properly. When all else fails check the volume ;). The Redrum is bar far the best part of Reason.....so many kits......must have more kits......... |
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so what is the main difference between Cubase SX and SL? i may be purchasing one sometime soon |
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They're both a pain in the ass. Not too sure of how they differ in being a pain in the ass though. |
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Pattens are pretty straight forward. Say you've made 2 drum pattens (A1 + A2) Go to Arrange Mode (click on the far left button on the sequencer) Click on the Patten Lane (the yellow button to the right of the Arrang Mode button) The pattewn lane should appear in the main sequencer window. Use the pencil to draw in patten A1. Change patten to A2 by clicking on the little pull down icon in the left of the patten window. Alternatively, do as above but also click the Show Controller Lane (first blue button) then the Controllers button (the blue one next to it) There's a long list of control functions. Go right to the bottom and select 'Selected Patten'. A blue channel appears under the yellow one. Draw with the pencil the patten in the blue channel. Easy peasy. : / |
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get SL from digitalvillage.co.uk Its by far the cheapest i've seen it. The difference between SL and SX is so minimal its almost pathetic, and DEFINATELY not worth the 200-250 quid price gap. Its just things like SL can only put 8 effects onto one sound, whereas SX is 12. Stupid things like that. SX can mix in 5.1 surround sound, SL cant... I have SL and Halion package deal. |
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The SX also has the tape saturation plugin, which sounds like a nice idea though I haven't tried it yet. Unfortunately SX doesn't get on well with my MAudio card so I don't use it much. :-( If I could make it work properly I'd buy a copy immediately (SL probably). It's a very nice app. Not nice enough to have to buy new hardware though. |
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my advice is to stick with reason. it is much better, the sequencer is superb ( i wish i could get it to trigger external midi). the sounds from reason may need a little alterations out of reason before mix down, but all songs which you publish should be mastered. fruityloops harks back to the bad old days of trackers and loops and arggh dont get me started. the ts404 or whatever it is sucks big time, only advantage is vst, but hey solo reason channels record to wave,master with vst in cubase, or hell even use rewire to play reason via cubase(and vst). although i tend not to do this since my cubase only goes upto 250bpm and some of my reason stuff si at over 600:) |
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thanks a bunch, this could help me make better songs :D |
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i agree. I tried to download cubase so i wouldnt have to cough up dollar, but i got like, 5 different copies, and they either didnt work, had shit loads of bugs, or didnt have all the features on them. I eventually coughed up, and ive had no problems at all with it, and its smelly dongle. There is a hell of a lot to learn though, im on like, page 100 of 790 in the manual!! I have 2 1/2 months off until i start my second university degree though. |
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What kind of sound card do you have? I have this Maudio 24/96 audiophile that I am slowly realizing is a piece of crap. It's great for playback but the asio / wdm functionality causes too many pops and clicks when you use it with a serious audio app. I have this problem in Cakewalk too. I gotta get something better! |
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Reason has no VSTi support ! Thats why it sucks, and will always suck until VST Support is implemented. |
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woohoo, thanks so much peleton, they should have consulted you for the manual, as you explain it in such ways that one can actually understand it! This knowledge will definitely improve my music, so again, thank you! :> |
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cubase looks so fucking hard to learn, i thought reason was hard HAH - it's like 1/100th the complexity... but are there libraries of sounds that come with cubase or do you make them all yourself? |
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I use Buzz... Mainly because I know it, and I haven't got a very good puter which I assume Reason (when using tons of effects and stuff) needs... Also Buzz is free, so I don't have to pirate it like I would if I would use some expensive software (I'm a poor student)... |
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to be honest i aint used fruity or reason extensivly but from what i've seen reason looks better, i just stick to cubase |
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