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           Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 08:47 [#00754883]
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 F**ked-up. I can't say anymore than that
  911 According To Hollywood
  Censoring Iraqi Media
 
  
         
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           thelema
             from Yucatan Peninsula (Mexico) on 2003-06-24 09:01 [#00754895]
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If US government does more things to enrage the rest of the  world than this is good because eventually rest of the world  will not tolerate them any longer and strike them down 
 
  
         
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           diablo
             on 2003-06-24 09:01 [#00754896]
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Revisionism, re-writing of history... 1984 here we come.
 
  
         
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           thelema
             from Yucatan Peninsula (Mexico) on 2003-06-24 09:04 [#00754899]
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The rewriting of history for propaganda and bias is as old  as history 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 09:08 [#00754901]
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I... I...
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           epohs
             from )C: on 2003-06-24 09:24 [#00754912]
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"If some tinhorn terrorist wants me, tell him to come  and get me," he says. "I'll be at home. Waiting for the  bastard." "But Mr President ..." stammers his Secret Service  chief. "Try 'Commander-in-Chief',"
 
  wtf!?
  this is a joke right?...  right?
 
  
         
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           wayout
             from the street of crocodiles on 2003-06-24 09:45 [#00754932]
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good god... first the fast food rockers, and now this??
  things are going downhill much faster than i would have  imagined.. 
 
  
         
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           joakimlinden
             from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-24 09:51 [#00754936]
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George Orwell's 1984 looks more and more like a collection  of prophecies than fiction. 
 
  
         
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           joakimlinden
             from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-24 09:54 [#00754940]
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I've even heard recordings of bush saying stuff like "We are  at war to keep the peace"... Newspeak in it's purest form? 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-24 09:55 [#00754941]
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"I'll be at home. Waiting for the  bastard."
  I love that line.. HA HA!
 
  
         
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           diablo
             on 2003-06-24 09:56 [#00754944]
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I read it again recently and some of it is very relavent,  some not so... the thing is in the book it's against  people's will but now lots of people seem happy to be  decieved, it makes things easier for them to deal with. 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-24 10:02 [#00754951]
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I don't think it is like that in the book.
  there are only a few people who actually KNOW that they are  being toyed with. the rest just don't know and really don't  care, exactly because it makes things easier for them to  deal with. 
 
  
         
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           diablo
             on 2003-06-24 10:04 [#00754953]
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... its certainly something everyone shoud read.
 
  
         
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           joakimlinden
             from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-24 10:10 [#00754967]
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Yeah, Noam Chomsky have spoken about this sometimes - saying  that the situation is even more totalitarian because through  carefully played out propaganda moves the different  administrations have successfully lured the media and people  into self-cenorship. People voicing decent will get booo'ed  out - I've heard this with my own ears in a speech made in  an american college by a highly respected war correpondent -  throughout his speech nearly all the students shouted stuff  like "shut the fuck up!" and "go home". He didn't even talk  about sensitive things, but he kept on going. Some of the  teachers actually feared for his safety and sort of told him  to leave after about 30 minutes.
  And america is supposed to promote free speech and all that  bullshit? Scary. 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-24 10:13 [#00754973]
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Yep, there's evidence that the romans did it. Neo-classical  architecture (think Ivy league universities) based on  supposedly Roman traditional design was actually Turkish  architecture... romans actually changed mosaics when they  invaded to depict things differently... 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 10:13 [#00754974]
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For some reason it made me think of this Deep Thought:
  He was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land. He loved  it so much he made a woman out of dirt and married her. But  when he kissed her, she disintegrated. Later, at the  funeral, when the preacher said, "Dust to dust," some people  laughed, and the cowboy shot them. At his hanging, he told  the others, "I'll be waiting for you in heaven--with a  gun." 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 10:22 [#00754988]
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The Romans and Egyptians also had the practice of "damnatio  memoriae" as it is called - undesirables would be erased  from statuary and portraiture. Probably every culture has  done this to some extent - like when the Americans tore down  that Saddam statue. 
 
  
         
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           Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 10:23 [#00754989]
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This is from this weeks Schnews...
  "Last week a poll revealed that a third of Americans believe  that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq,  while 22 per cent reckon Iraq actually used them! Even  before the war, half of those polled said the Iraq regime  was responsible for September 11th. But no one's found any  weapons of mass destruction let alone used them (well apart  from the Americans and British) and no Iraqis were on the  planes that hit the twin towers. So how could people be so  misinformed?...
 
  As Noam Chomsky put it 'The bewildered herd is a problem.  We've got to prevent their rage and trampling. We've got to  distract them. They should be watching the Superbowl or  sitcoms or violent movies. Every once in a while you call on  them to chant meaningless  slogans like 'Support our  troops.' You've got to keep them pretty scared, because  unless they're properly scared and frightened of all kinds  of devils that are going to destroy them from outside or  inside or somewhere, they may start to think, which is very  dangerous, because they're not competent to think. Therefore  it's important to distract them and marginalize them.'"
 
  News you won't hear on TV
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-24 10:24 [#00754993]
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"Your enemy is not truly defeated until you have erased all  trace of them. Slaughter their women and children, burn down  their cities, kill all that knew or traded with them. Only  when the memory of them is destroyed are they truly  defeated..." :) 
 
  
         
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           diablo
             on 2003-06-24 10:30 [#00755005]
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"Go back to sleep America. You are free to do as we tell  you." 
 
  
         
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           evolume
             from seattle (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:25 [#00755305]
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this is ALL the cinema made in North Korea.  all the radio,  t.v., popular music, and various artworks as well.  
  i suppose it was only a matter of time...
 
  
         
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           Anus_Presley
             on 2003-06-24 13:29 [#00755310]
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hahahaha
  i'm not stupid when it comes to issues such as thing, but  sometimes it's hard to get worrked up and do something  otherr than laugh.  
 
  
         
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           BlatantEcho
             from All over (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:36 [#00755326]
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one more reason to simply not watch televison
 
  
         
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           recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:40 [#00755329]
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our 7 channels seem to do us just fine, and it doesnt cost  $39.00/month 
 
  
         
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           BlatantEcho
             from All over (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:43 [#00755335]
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I can't believe i pitch in for the $49.99/month our digital  cable costs here.
 
  The roomates want it, but I could give a shit.  Aside from a  football game here and there, christ, $50 a month for that  shit!  no way! 
 
  
         
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           Anus_Presley
             on 2003-06-24 13:45 [#00755336]
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i don't watch the channels i have. i'm not into that cable  shit. 
 
 
 
  
         
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           Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 13:48 [#00755342]
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I think it goes beyond just watching TV. News management of  the type we're seeing now is pernicious. Even if you don't  watch TV or read newspapers millions of others are and  forming their opinions based on propaganda and lies. It  leads to scenarios like wars (Iraq?) being waged on  falsehoods. Dangerous ground we're treading.
 
  Although, has it ever been any different? S'pose not really.
 
  
         
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           Anus_Presley
             on 2003-06-24 13:50 [#00755347]
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propaganda is an arrt forr that has been evolving and  getting morre effective forr yearrs and yearrs.  
 
  
         
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           Anus_Presley
             on 2003-06-24 13:51 [#00755351]
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forrm*
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:52 [#00755354]
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i feel sick...
 
  
         
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           ka
             on 2003-06-24 16:47 [#00755591]
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"Neo-classical architecture based on supposedly Roman  traditional design was actually Turkish architecture... "
 
  Hey Ceri JC.  Where did you read that?  Curious.
 
  
         
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