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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 08:15 [#00754850]
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I know people dislike the expression. Many say its not "danceable" or "music" some even argue its "intelligence".
I say the term is not incorrect but rather dated,a few years ago the whole term fitted perfectly like Surfing On Sine Waves.It was intelligent,dancable and 'twas music.
I say keep the term,like people have kept the term "Rock".It would never change names because of its history, thats what music is built upon,its own history.Athough it can evolve sub-genres (but thats a whole different subject ).
So by changing the term "IDM" we discard the genre's history which brought you here.
But then again this genres about evolving isn't it?
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 08:16 [#00754854]
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Look at me with my crazy ramblings.
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-06-24 08:25 [#00754860]
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If I'm forced to use a name, I prefer braindance, but I usually don't see music as rock or techno or trance or braindance or whatever, it's just music to me.
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uzim
on 2003-06-24 09:08 [#00754902]
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...or we can use the name idm while forgetting what it stands for.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-06-24 09:11 [#00754906]
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it's strange because "IDM" is music you cant label, so in a way it doesnt make sense to label it, braindance is more accurate or even just electronica or electronics
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-06-24 09:13 [#00754907]
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someone on here wrote an interesting essay about what "IDM" is and why the label though pretentious does make a little bit of sense
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-24 09:15 [#00754908]
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eyedie em
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-24 09:36 [#00754923]
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i like it myself.. it's a thousand times better than any other suggestion ive ever heard anyone else make.
if you are going to start subcategorising techno music then why not use the term IDM?
people who get all bent out of shape about using 'IDM' get on my nerves..
hip hop producers usually aren't manually juggling loops back and fourth on turntables these days.. so they aren't really 'hip hopping' anymore.. but people don't get upset about that label..
pfft..
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-06-24 09:39 [#00754927]
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good HIP point HOP HOP.. on a related note, live dj's backing emcees on stage are a joke. play the 12" instrumental cut, fade to the next one. repeat. exceptions: nu-mark & cut chemist, chief xcel, and _______ (fill in the blank!)
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-24 10:14 [#00754976]
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my only problem is the 'intelligent' part... implying, not so subtly, that other forms of music are un-intelligent. a pompous condescending viewpoint that a lot of people in the more "underground" genres of music seem to take... and one which puts a sour taste in my mouth.
I know it’s all been said a bzillion times, and, not that I even that I care much at all about the name, but, it reflects some things that I really dislike about the whole scene in general.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 10:20 [#00754981]
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"internet dork music" - lust incarnate
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-24 10:22 [#00754986]
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thats not as bad as the rock/pop band that had a dj as a 7th or 8th member..
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-06-24 10:23 [#00754990]
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I get more annoyed that there are so many threads discussing this name... who really cares what music is called... I love this music, yet if it was labeled by the music industry or something as shit, I wouldn't care...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-24 10:30 [#00755004]
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come on now...
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-24 10:30 [#00755006]
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then name 3 idm albums you love
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-06-24 10:32 [#00755008]
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most stuff by Autechre, some Squarepusher, some Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, Jega, etc, etc...
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diablo
on 2003-06-24 10:35 [#00755014]
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As it says on the rephlex site:
"It's not intelligent, it's not dance, it's not music"
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-24 10:37 [#00755018]
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you didnt name one.
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Q4Z2X
on 2003-06-24 10:44 [#00755024]
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i prefer the term, irreverent dunce muzak
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Fuckwagon
from Dallas (United States) on 2003-06-24 10:58 [#00755050]
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I'm sick of insolent bastards without any education ravaging the fruits of IDM as if it were Regular Dance Music... their time will come though.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-24 11:00 [#00755056]
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GRROW UP ASSHOLE
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-06-24 11:05 [#00755062]
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why do I need to specify specific albums, when albums by those groups, which would be considered by most people here as IDM, I love?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-06-24 11:05 [#00755063]
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heh, specify specific... that sounds funny...
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-06-24 11:11 [#00755069]
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lol internet dork music.. i loved when she said that
epohs there is a sort of "intelligent" aspect to it that comes with less periodicity and academic musical influences.. this was that essay i was talking about (click)
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 11:18 [#00755077]
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I agree with that,in no way are any other genres un-intelligent.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-24 11:24 [#00755091]
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I would like to answer your question directly, but considering your past reactions I feel that to do so would be a disservice to you at this time.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-06-24 11:39 [#00755118]
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considering my past reactions? Huh? Answer the stupid question, or else quit posting these stupid vague messages...
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-24 11:45 [#00755136]
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See, what did I tell you? You are flying off the handle already!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-06-24 11:47 [#00755139]
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not flying off the handle, just seems like a stupid thing to say is all... answer my question, and quit telling my why you won't...
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-06-24 16:46 [#00755589]
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pretty interesting read.. thanks titsworth
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cuntychuck
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2003-06-24 17:08 [#00755619]
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clickhop!
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Donna Simpson
from morgantown (United States) on 2003-06-24 17:22 [#00755631]
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titsworth...I read almost the whole essay, I agree with alot of points that were made, especially that it is constanly evolving into new music. Good read.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-06-24 17:23 [#00755632]
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so what kind of music is bjork?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-06-24 17:25 [#00755633]
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pop music - but that covers lots of genres doesnt it :)
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 17:37 [#00755641]
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i think a better term is "electronica".... far less anal
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flim nanou
from out of the frying pan (United States) on 2003-06-24 18:47 [#00755692]
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improbable doorway/mirror inverted dot machine isotropic detail manmade
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flim nanou
from out of the frying pan (United States) on 2003-06-24 18:48 [#00755694]
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clickhop = happy!
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mimi
on 2003-06-25 11:58 [#00756577]
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Internet Dork Music is a great way to put it!
I also like Intimate Dude Music. And I heard somebody else say I Don't Masturbate.
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-25 12:01 [#00756584]
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this whole arguement is just silly and idm is a pointless stuck up label for geeks - i'm talking to you fuckwagon
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-25 12:04 [#00756591]
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I HATE HATE HATE telling people I listen to IDM, and then have to explain to them what it stands for... and then defend myself.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-06-25 12:05 [#00756592]
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i think it's far more anal to get bent out of shape with what people call it. what are you so insecure about? why do you CARE? just be glad people are feeling it, that's all that matters. be a nerd about star wars or math, leave music to listening and appreciating.
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-25 12:54 [#00756686]
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I often find when I tell people I listen to "electronica",they think I mean like trance/dance.
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-25 12:56 [#00756689]
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This genre will always be commonly known as IDM,its just a name,who cares what it stands for?Its about the music.
And after typing that,I think to myself..."Why did I even create this topic?"
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-25 12:57 [#00756690]
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i was wondering the same thing
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celloncllone
from anywhere but in (Germany) on 2003-06-25 13:02 [#00756699]
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umm, correct me if i am wrong, actually don't correct me, but when i talk about music and describe it to somebody as IDM, i am only saying it so the person has a point of reference, i am not using it because i totally believe in it being "Intelligent Dance Music", it doesn't make me some wanna-be intellectual hanging around thinking i am cool. i amusing this term like i use the word "kiss my ass" to let someone know i don't like em, just like i use the term "what the fuck?" to verbalize my confusion.....so don't fuckin get all smartassy to someone who says IDM, and flame em forever, its a frikkin word,
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-25 13:04 [#00756702]
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i normaly same fucked up stuff you wont like it works for me
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-25 13:05 [#00756703]
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just out of curriosity; if it was referred to as 'irritating dance music', or 'uninspired dance music', or 'rediculous dance music', ect... would all of you who say "who cares about a name" still say the same thing?
or is it that 'intelligent dance music' is self-congradulatory, and you happen to agree with it, so, you feel that the name is ok?
i'm not trying to start a flame war... just offering a different viewpoint.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-06-25 13:06 [#00756705]
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i normaly say fucked up stuff you wont like it works for me
corectin myself
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-25 13:09 [#00756707]
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yes
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-25 13:09 [#00756708]
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Was that directed at anyone in particular?
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