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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 12:50 [#00751890]
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there's a lot of canadians in this board; lucky people, you don't know what you have in your country; David Cronenberg, Atom Egoyan, Sarah Polley, Don McKellar, Elias Koteas... and you give awards to them. When I grow up I want to be a canadian.
And i know that some of you know Sarah from the highscool. lucky bsstards :)
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 12:57 [#00751893]
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i've never come to a conclusion: is sarah blonde or redhead?
big question for a big board like this. i am not an obsessive psychotic fan, it's just that i studied film and i've always dreamt about working with her.
seriously_
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-22 12:58 [#00751895]
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*cough*geek*cough*
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-22 12:59 [#00751897]
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who is Sarah Polley? Also Cronenberg's last movie "Spider" sucked... It was really beautiful, and it was deep, but there was nothing in between.
There was nothing that made me want to watch the movie (there was no driving force in the way the story was told... sooo slow).
I still watched it, but I was really bored throughout the movie... Maybe if he had put more music or something (or different music) in it. I mean most of the time the maincharacter talked you still couldn't hear what he was mumbling.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-22 12:59 [#00751898]
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I'd hit it
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-22 13:01 [#00751899]
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ok I looked Sarah Polley up on imdb... I still don't think they can make a better "dawn of the dead"...
The original is really good...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-22 13:07 [#00751905]
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Aw man that's the first I've heard of that project! I agree that the original will be damn near impossible to top but WOW a new version wil be cool - hope there's lots of inside jokes for those of us who have seen the original like 10 times.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-22 13:10 [#00751910]
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hehe yeah... but why just make a remake of "dawn of the dead"? make a proper remake of "night of the living dead"... Day of the dead... I don't see any reason for making a remake there, it's soo nice with effects and that (also it looks real good)...
If you didn't check, here's the DOTD remake: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0363547
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-22 13:11 [#00751911]
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why did this line:
If you didn't check, here's the DOTD remake:
become stretched all over the line?
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 13:18 [#00751930]
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Spider is one of Cronenberg's best works, but it's not a movie for everyone.
As a filmmaker I consider David Cronenberg one of my main influences and a director that deserves better consideration.
I interviewed him last year when he presented Spider in a spanish film festival. You can check the video at http://plasmapool.esmartweb.com/
I recommend Spider and all the other films by Cronenberg to everyone here (specially Crash, Videodrome and Dead Ringers), in fact Chris Cunningham and Autechre are big fans of his work and you can notice it.
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 13:23 [#00751942]
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and the music in Spider is perfect; Howard Shore is god, the stuff he composes for Cronenberg is always amazing;
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-22 13:28 [#00751950]
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yeah shore is good... and I'm into all kinds of movies, even experimental ones, but I felt like I was suffering when watching the movie.
As I feel, it is really deep, and it's really beautiful. But it had nothing inbetween - and it needs something, because it is told so slow.
I've heard the novel is great so I shall check that one out later to.
I shall check the URL...
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 14:13 [#00752015]
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the movie is slow but i think it's the tempo that is needed, it's the character's tempo.
i read the novel 1 year before seeing the film and what i can say is that is not a bad novel, its tone is very different from the movie's, it's more gothic and not very naturalistic (the book is spider's journal, but the way Patrick McGrath has written it is not like the way that someone who has been 20 years in a mental asylum would have written it, too baroque and literary, a residual schizophrenic does not have a clear mind, schizophrenia is a very destructive illness.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-22 14:16 [#00752018]
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I was able to stream it before (VERY SLOW), but then I stopped (it took to long) and tried to download it and now neither works.
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 14:16 [#00752019]
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well, let's talk about sarah polley.. am i alone? i think she's one of the best actresses in the actual scene
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-22 15:04 [#00752089]
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this topic is a total wreck. where are you, canadians?
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-06-22 20:55 [#00752548]
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sarah polley is a pretty good actress and better than almost any other actress thats actually famous.
anyways about cronenberg, existenz (the first cronenberg i saw)was a pile of shit(it was cool when i was like 12 years old but its lame) but his newest, spider was incredible, my god it was good, ralph fiennes was spot on doing the acting, best acting ive seen in a great while.
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childkiller
from santiago (Chile) on 2003-06-22 21:01 [#00752551]
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sarah polley is extremely beautiful. as well as a good artist.
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Komakino
from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-06-22 21:20 [#00752557]
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I agree, i consider Cronenberg the most exciting directer out there..Autechre are always goign on about him and Shore.
Im not sure if the Shore soundtrack to Spider is out, or even if it was even distributed.
Key_Secret: i think your doing Spider injustice; the film is not a character study on schizophrenia, its about the process of it and the afteraffects - so it has to be slow moving.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-23 05:19 [#00752936]
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I didn't complain on the tempo of the movie, that's not what I meant... I have no problem with slow movies as long as there is some kind of driving force that makes me want to watch the entire movie, when I've watched the begining.
And I didn't feel like "I need to watch this movie to the end" when I watched Spider. I don't know why...
It might actually have to do with that awful begining of the movie with music and thoose I-don't-know-the-word-for-them pictures.
Also there wasn't much to care about in the begining after the "intro" in my opinion, as the maincharacter was just walking around mumbling, and you knew nothing about him...
It's the way I experienced the movie, and it's kinda sad the movie is so slowly told, or else I might have considered watching it again.
but now the situation is like it is. =/
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-23 05:21 [#00752939]
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the begining wasn't awful. But I knew nothing about what kind of movie it was when my friend put it on...
so sitting there just waiting for something to happen was quite boring.
I like not knowing anything when I watch a movie, but in this case it might actually be good to know the movie is slow when watching it...
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 05:32 [#00752950]
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the spider score was only released in France by Virgin. I got it from amazon france it's a nice but short (35min) record
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 05:33 [#00752951]
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curious, but no canadian has xpressed his opinion here yet..
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ka
on 2003-06-23 07:37 [#00753075]
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I'm Canadian. I know Sarah Polley. The opening credits to Spider were fabulous.
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Komakino
from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-06-23 08:42 [#00753165]
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Your synopsis of the film is hesitant and empty.
Also there wasn't much to care about in the begining after the "intro" in my opinion, as the maincharacter was just walking around mumbling, and you knew nothing about him...
Mumbling, groaning and the confusion is the process of schizophrenia. Don't critise something when its not meant to go beyond its alledged limitations.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-23 09:33 [#00753252]
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but does it make a good film...
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-06-23 09:59 [#00753268]
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the opening credits already pleased me enough for going to the film.
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 10:02 [#00753276]
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as you said, the opening credits are incredible... when you say 'i know Sarah Polley', do you mean what i hope that you'd mean?
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 10:06 [#00753283]
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ka? you really know her?
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Komakino
from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-06-23 10:13 [#00753292]
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yeah of course, its a Cronenberg film
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-23 13:16 [#00753656]
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I didn't critise the movie... I wrote in an earlier post that what can be looked upon objective (like how nice the photo is, how nice the story is) was good. But the feeling, the stuff that might make me want to watch the entire movie wasn't there for me.
Now that is how I experienced the movie, and you can't critise my experience as it is subjective.
I felt like I had wasted my time watching it. Also it seems like some of you care maybe too much about the artist (director).
All that matters for me in this case is the art; the movie itself.
If you watch a movie, and you know it's made by your fav director you will think about it differently than if you do not know who made it (I'm talking about the [subjective] experience...)
well... I'm not defending myself, what I experienced is what I experienced.
The only thing that can be critised is the movie itself and perhaps under what circumstances I watched the movie...
hope you understand what I mean...
now lets move onto another question here... What do you Cronenberg fans think about "the brood"?
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 13:31 [#00753684]
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the brood is a nice one, although not one of my favourites, because it uses a lot of the conventions of the horror genre; but it has some very interesting points, it also subverts some of those genre conventions, its violence is very visceral and has some really shocking/interesting images/scenes/concepts like those killer children (i suppose Cunningham paid tribute to this film with his aphex children in the come to daddy video; also there's one image taken from videodrome, the creature coming out from the tv)
The music, an atonal string quartet by Shore, is again amazing.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-23 13:37 [#00753694]
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hehe I thought the "children" were dwarfs... atleast that's what the description said in the tvguide (and my friend who watched it said the movie was exactely like the description)...
and the description was crazy! I laughed when I read it... But I assume there were some symbolism behind it. I'll take a look at the movie when I get a chance, it does seem entertaining...
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 13:40 [#00753705]
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the brood is a nice transition between the viral horror to a more depurated style of movies (scanners and videodrome), with more interesting characters and plots, going away from the horror film conventions. The first feature films by Cronenberg were very low budget films, that could be considered sexploitation movies by some but that they have interesting subtext. Those films were like his two first non-commercial films (the experimental 'Stereo' and 'Crimes of the future', with lots of sci-fi stuff and a WS Burroughs flavour) but with some elements (sex, gore) that made them more accessible to the public, or simply more rentable.
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 13:42 [#00753710]
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and they were made before Sarah Polley was born (pathetic attempt to return to the topic)
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Komakino
from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-06-23 13:51 [#00753733]
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And what i was critizing was your objective synopsis, it was crap.
like i said "Don't critise something when its not meant to go beyond its alledged limitations"..whatever subjective opinions you took from those "limitations" - i really don't give a shit about.
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Cronenbergs early films are good horror titilation..his films didn't start to get really good until around '83.
Sarah polley was good in 'Last Night' by the way.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-23 13:53 [#00753742]
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you misunderstood me... it was not an objective synopsis... I wrote about how I experienced the begining of the film...
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Komakino
from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-06-23 13:56 [#00753749]
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oh christ..round & round & round & round &
just stop.
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 13:59 [#00753753]
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Last Night, directed by Don McKellar. I haven't seen it, David Cronenberg has also a role in the movie.
I specially like Polley's performance in Atom Egoyan's Exotica and My Life Without Me. I hav to see No Such Thing by Hal Hartley.
If you are a Sarah Polley fan, you must see Terry Gilliam's 'The adventures of Baron Munchausen'; this movie shocked me as a children.
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-23 14:38 [#00753811]
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and i insist: is she blonde or redhead? hair mistery
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-06-23 15:15 [#00753854]
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i saw no such thing, it was really good and bad at the same time, its hard to take seriously at some moments but theres some good ideas in there nonetheless but overall it fell a little short but its worth seeing.
i think shes blonde but i dont know for sure.
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ka
on 2003-06-23 16:10 [#00753914]
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blonde
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-06-24 06:49 [#00754764]
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redhead or blonde-redhead
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ashbrg
from Interzone (Spain) on 2003-08-02 05:01 [#00805240]
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dear canadians, i am really disappointed by your lack of passion about this topic, i thought it will get a lot of canadian feedback.
well. i still love your country (one day i'll live there) say hello to Atom and David for me
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