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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-17 23:30 [#00745635]
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I don't know what's with me lately... this is the 3rd track for my EP, the 2nd one I might post later this week, and the CD will be coming out as soon as I can find someone who will do cover art for me.
This one is something like noise meets ambient meets Venetian Snares... my first real attempt at drill and bass. Comments, as always, very appreciated, and feel free to post links for me to review... cheers!
Wendigo.mp3
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 04:33 [#00745849]
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Shameless bump
Because I updated it... added some parts, put it up again, I'm very happy with this track. Feedback!
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-18 04:38 [#00745852]
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nice...
I love tracks like this. I know it's sometimes difficult to give a good sample a nice sound when applying it to a melody, but you've really pulled it off.
I also like the way it progresses. alot of changes but no sudden leaps.
Coolio!
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:03 [#00745927]
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Alright... I think I'm putting out things a bit too fast to do this. I'm going to hold off putting more things up for you guys until I have a full CD ready to release...
Back to work, back to work
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-18 06:10 [#00745933]
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The track is quite good...the only problem is it is obviously a fruityloops track. :(
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:15 [#00745936]
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Hmm... didn't use fruity at all... I can see that though... just analog synths and a sequencer
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-18 06:16 [#00745939]
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No, the horrible drums are the fruityloops ones. I can spot that nasty snare drum a million miles away. It is something that I really really hate :P
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:20 [#00745941]
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Hah... quite possibly, I ripped most of the samples apart before I put it together, I'm guessing you mean the white noise one that comes in the beginning, I have no clue where I first got it from
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-18 06:21 [#00745942]
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No not the white noise...the actual snare drum that you use right throughout the entire track, and all of the other drum sounds...plus the white noise... :D
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:26 [#00745945]
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Huh... I think most are just standard sounds, basic packages, wonder what gives it that "fruity" feel to it... I shall have to go experiment, I really haven't fooled around with fruityloops much. I could pick out a Reason 2.0 song easily though.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-06-18 06:28 [#00745949]
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doesn't at all sound floopsy to me :\
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:30 [#00745954]
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compositionally, i like it alot. very nice note choices, very pretty. i like the rhythmic stuff, too. very slow-building. yeah, this is really nice... good vibe to it, overall.
i DO, however, agree that some of the sounds could use some work. they sound pretty straight out-of-the-box. not all, but some. all in all, a very good piece.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-18 06:30 [#00745955]
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Maybe I am wrong then... :P
Sanguine...I doubt you could very easily pick out a Reason 2 song if it is done properly. :D
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:34 [#00745960]
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Hehe... I doubt you could pick out a fruity song if it's done properly... it's a nice little program. I was aluding to the very typical compression, delay and reverb it uses, really limited for mastering.
Yes... great feedback... I think tomorrow I'll work on the drums, see what I want to change and how. Drums are definitly my weak point still, I'm holding off on my melodic insanity for later.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-18 06:35 [#00745962]
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The actual drum programming is pretty much spot on, it is just the sound of the drums that is the problem.
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-18 06:37 [#00745964]
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It shouldn't matter what noise it is...
When someone plays a triangle, people don't say "na it's crap, everyone can use a triangle."
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-18 06:38 [#00745967]
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But it detracts from the track when it sounds like every other fruityloops produced drill track has ever sounded. Diversity i the drums used would add to the impressiveness of the song.
That is just my opinion anyway :P
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:43 [#00745977]
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I totally agree... I think I can do better
As such, I consider it a challenge, so I'll go have some fun with it.
They're not saying it's crap, just that it's a typical sound... I think both chrispy and I simply missed out on the fruity craze and don't know the typical sounding stuff. I try to avoid the typical 303/909 sounding drums and synth patches for just that reason, unless they exactly fit what I'm trying to do.
I'll post an update after I get a good day working through it.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:43 [#00745978]
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i agree. if you want your track to sound your own, and to have it's own essence, then you need to make it sound like it exists as its own thing. if you can pick out a sound you've used before in something, it's kinda not good. sometimes it works, if the mode is more tongue-in-cheek, but in this instance, no. it's a somewhat hypnotic piece, kinda like something off download III. therefore, if the sounds are gonna be simple, as in not heavily saturated with effects, then they must at least be somehow altered to sound (perhaps) not like synthetic drums.
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 06:49 [#00745988]
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For me the biggest challenge in making drums is making them all sound like they came from the same drum set. Same reverb, same ambient noise, same pitch, same warmth, etc.
I've never tried drill n bass before. Lots to learn, lots to experiment with. The more I listen, the more I agree, it has a fairly standard electronic drum sound, although I still like the changes, so it's just the individual samples I have to check out.
Although having a song have the same basic sounds as everyone else and just being a dozen levels above them makes you look like a god... I want to find the Mozart of fruityloops and shake his hand.
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 18:46 [#00746791]
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Updated.
Drums are... a little different... I think they're better for a few good reasons (things I did) but the sounds might still be a little stale. I'm honestly not sure. I like it at this point, it's up to par now.
Oh, and more importantly I decided to test different compressions and am now using something with knocked 7MB off the file size down to a nice manageable 9MBs... enjoy
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-06-18 20:03 [#00746869]
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I hear no standard issue drums now. Great track. Very snares'ish only with more melodies. I like.
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morguean
from Calgary (Canada) on 2003-06-18 20:13 [#00746879]
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this track is dope
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morguean
from Calgary (Canada) on 2003-06-18 20:14 [#00746880]
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i am interested in hearing your other songs
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 20:16 [#00746882]
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Kadath.mp3 and Tryst.mp3 are in the same directory... this is, like I said, my first drillnbass song, so don't expect the others to be the same *nod nod*
Thanks for the feedback!
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ambsace
from canaDUH. on 2003-06-18 20:17 [#00746883]
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wow. sounds really good. we likes it. =] makes we wish i'd take more time on my tracks. i usually just go with the first thing that sounds alright then work around that. hehe.
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morguean
from Calgary (Canada) on 2003-06-18 20:33 [#00746896]
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emm i tried copy & pasting those into the web address but it didn't work...help me out here..
but dog check mine out - click on the link that says (only beverages allowed in here) to download it
yeaaaahbitch
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ambsace
from canaDUH. on 2003-06-18 20:42 [#00746900]
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are you really from calgary?
your page (which i can't view because it crashes my internet explorer for whatever reason) is even linked that that nasty shaw.ca.
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-18 21:13 [#00746937]
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Will do, after I come back tonight, outta here for a show
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-19 18:15 [#00748471]
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Morg:
I don't like the way the drums sound almost exactly the same. Kind of slide around a lot in the beginning. Hi hats do too, very little difference, makes it get tedious to listen to pretty quickly, especially with the flat melody. It's minimalist drum and bass with a ton of bass frequencies. Just leaves it feeling less energetic than I think what you were going for. Could just be a mastering problem
There are a lot of changes in the drums that are good, but it takes some seriously listening to get to them. The more electronic sounding stuff near then end helps pull the track up quite a bit. In my opinion (and that's all) it would be better if you played on the electronic melody earlier and then added something else above the drums.
Some good foundation for good tracks though, the tricks you used with the drums are well done. Keep it up!
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-19 20:56 [#00748655]
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No more comments? Guess I'll go work on some minimalist stuff to make up for this... until tomorrow
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-14 17:43 [#00822591]
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just listened to "wendigo" - superb. yet another song i've liked from you, sanguine.
tell me, did you sample a melody for this song?
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-08-14 18:04 [#00822606]
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lol, are you trying to make a vsnares connection?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-14 18:18 [#00822624]
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no, it just sounded a little borrowed.. i thought it was from radiohead's "no surprises" at first but then it changed a lot. it could be merely coincidental.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-08-14 18:31 [#00822641]
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ah
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-14 23:31 [#00822928]
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Didn't sample anything... at the moment I'm doing only my own melodies
kinda surprised to see this thread up here again, I'm actually reworking my drill and bass, the next track will be out soon and WAY better.
All my current stuff at: Temp webpage
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