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Ok... I have not listened to much noise music... and what ive heard... I didnt like. But im trying to understand it. So, I would like people who are fans of noise music to tell me why... what is it that does it for you. How do you decide if one noise peice is better then another? For people who write noise music... whats the thought process? And does it concern any of you that you are damaging your ears? (when listening to it very loudly) Im very curious to try and understand noise music. Any articles would be cool too. Thanks ps. I dont want this to turn into a noise sucks vs. noise rules thread. I just want info from people who like it. |
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and yes im aware of the spelling mistake thanks |
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Noise music is just noise that the maker thinks sounds good to the ears. The human brain can make patterns out of even white noise (as anyone who has listened to static on a radio while stoned will agree). I don't really think it is something you can "understand" it is more something you either feel or you don't |
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yeah, acid radio rules! |
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I think that noise music is very similar to ambient music, in a way... You don't have to "understand" noise music, it's just a matter of taste, really. |
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fair enough but how do you decide what is a good noise peice? and does the artist get the credit... or is it more understood that the details are in random events, that the composer didnt really create. i mean like... merzbow for instance is a highly respected noise artist... but what is it exactly that makes him so good? compared to say, someone on this board who makes noise music for fun? |
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"Satanstornade" is quite good. I like to listen to it when Im in the ight mood.... |
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also, is all noise music bombastic? what ive heard has been very aggressive and loud... is there noise music that is "calm" and soft? |
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Like everything, if you expect something to be good you will find goodness in it, if you expect it to be average or poor that is how you will view it. Bad noise music is where people have set out to make a noise track, instead of making a track out of noise. If that makes sense. |
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oddly, that does indeed make sense :D |
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I don't know much about electronic noise music but i love sonic youth and the feedback / noise stuff they used to do. Hendrix feedback is pretty sick as well, obviously! |
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yes, interesting you mentioned sonic youth - im listening to nyc ghosts and flowers - that track didn't really mean much to me until last night. in a contemplative mood, i decided to put that track on, and for some reason it was one of the few songs that sparked my interest enough to basically rethink how i felt about the song. when the guitars merge together and basically take over the track slowly but progessively, it's almost like an emotional peak, or an enlightened moment. in terms of noisecore or just noise music in general, can affect certain people in that way. they aren't there to necessarily hear a pattern that is given to them - they let the pattern come to them and basically manipulate who they are and how they are feeling. |
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I saw sonic youth live after dirty came out, it was frikkin brilliant, they really rocked it. They were noise specialists when they wanted to, thurston had a rack of guitars so when he'd screwed one by detuning it and breaking the strings he'd just get another one... |
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Personally, avant jazz (such as late Coltrane and Albert Ayler) stimulates the hell out of me intellectually. I am a philosophy major, and I usually write my papers and brainstorm while listening to abstract music. Remember, all of the music that we experience is ultimately not just it in some objective, external sense; but a transaction between the music and our nervous systems. Instead of being exposed to sounds that we are well familiar with (4/4 time, etc.) we are bombarded with time signatures and sounds that our brains are not readily able to recognize and immediately classify as being x or y. This forces our brains to do things that it hasn't done since we were children. |
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I don't like huge spans of symmetry. I like strange irregular complicated symmetrical parts. |
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woo hoo! im a philosophy major also :) |
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Philosophy is the most pointless subject in the world. The world needs more doers, not thinkers. :P |
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Who are your major influences? Most of mine are lunatic fringe, such as Robert Anton Wilson, U.G. Krishnamurti, and Max Stirner. I find most academic philosophy to be rather conservative and bland. |
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yes, I am into intellectual music as well (Im a duel Composition and Synthesis major) but noise is just not a genre I know much about. |
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I wouldn't call avant jazz "intellectual music" personally. At its most extreme, the majority of people would classify it as noise. I happen to find that the end result of my transaction with it is my intellectual stimulation. |
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There is no such thing as "intellectual music" |
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zeus u should check PITA (off mego label) .. i've got get out .. that is possibly "non agressive noiz" tho it does have a shock element in it. but yeah ... what they said .. if it sounds good it is good right? |
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empiricus did you or did you not just mention max stirner!!! respeK .. also a phil major :) |
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I'm amazed, someone knows the Great Amoralist. Are you simply familiar with him, or have you read The Ego and Its Own? |
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read it .. tho its been a while. resembles a neo-hegelian nietzscheian badass right? |
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Stirner was a member of the neo-Hegalians along with Marx and Engels before he split from the movement in favor of his own radical (and I mean radical) individualism. He completely destroyed Marx in "Ego", and Marx spent 3/4 of Das Kapital (I think) attempting to refute Stirner's attack on Communism. Stirner was Nietzche's philosophical godfather. |
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aye .. i was meaning to use the neo-hegelian tag in a loose (very loose) quasi metaphorical way :) i quite like w. benjamin, e. levinas - tho more in terms of a platform/vocab kind of way - just like heidegger i guess .. but yeah .. pretty much into 20th century french and german phil. |
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with a later wittgenstein icing on top! |
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So, I would like people who are fans of noise music to tell me why... what is it that does it for you. > sometimes when i feel sick and that everything is going wrong, listening to noise has a cathartic effect - because it's as fucked up as the feelings i have, but in fact when you're habitued to it and when you're in the right mood, you do discern things in the noise, and enjoy it... but it's not the ONLY thing. sometimes i don't want to listen to 'normal' music, but silence bores me, and noise music is a good alternative. sometimes i just want to listen to noise music when i want to listen to another kind of music! it's just more different. i like to compare noise music to some abstract art. some people say that they can do it themselves, it is worthless, a bullshit concept etc., and some think of it in a good way... i wonder if noise music will gain more popularity or respect in the future? maybe, maybe not... time will tell... How do you decide if one noise peice is better then another? > if anything concrete, when i discern things in the noise... not necessarily "real" things, but when i manage to dominate the wild jungle of sound! a bit like in squarepusher's go plastic's hardest tracks, like greenways trajectory or my fucking sound... just harder. sometimes it's for no reason i like one piece, just emotional - like in normal music. i like one track but cannot say why. sometimes it is abstract but i can find, in a much wilder different and alienated way, the equivalents of the feelings i feel when listening to normal music... And does it concern any of you that you are damaging your ears? (when listening to it very loudly) > yes... i do not listen to Merzbow every day, and when i do it i rarely listen to more than one hour of it. i listen to it on headphones, my ears are buzzing when it's over, so i try to care : ) |
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Good topic as I've been getting into 'noise' more and more. I've been wanting something that didn't make my ears bleed but is still noisy and atmospheric - the Mi^Grate samples on planet-µ seemed to fit this description but I wish I could get a copy of the entire album before I buy it. |
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now playing: Merzbow - Hikigaeru Ga Kuru in mp3, from Frog(+)... i wish this album wasn't out of print!! i hope they will print it again... it's a very good noise track. |
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"I wouldn't call avant jazz "intellectual music" personally. At its most extreme, the majority of people would classify it as noise. I happen to find that the end result of my transaction with it is my intellectual stimulation. " Oh, I would call it intellectual... just like lots of people call John Cage noise and garbage... but it is appriciated... the number of people who like it, doesnt have anything to do with if its intellectual or anything. and yes ecnadniard, "intellectual music" is a bullshit term, in the overall... but I would say that there is music out there that is refered to "intellectual" or "academic" or "legit". Im not argueing for or against it... just using it as a term that other people use as well. Kind of like the whole IDM debate... thanks for everyones replies! ill check out some mp3s of the artists listed. I guess the only way to really understand, is to just listen to a bunch of different artists, and try to do so with an open mind :) |
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oh, and right now im learning granular synthesis in school... and it can be pretty noisey... depending on how you use it... but cool sounding too... so I guess this is my first step into noise? :) |
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music is all noise to me.. the only difference is it's intention and method of creation.. |
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you know... the actual definition on noise is "unwanted sound" so i guess noise music isnt really noise is it? because it is intentional... or something |
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You need to Download "Cyclo" by Rioji Ikeda ! Its more listenable NOISE MUZAK ! |
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"if noise is defined as uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me." - merzbow someone has this quote in a profile... (don't remember who) : ) |
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that's a great quote.. |
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i'm not sure if anyone addressed this issue, but someone asked about "noise" music that is not bombastic, and there certainly is plenty of it, but it's usually referred to as "minimalism," see artists on the labels 12k and list (not all are necessarily noise). check out "stengel" by sogar on list records for a merging of noise and subtle melody. of course, musique concrete is "noise" music. as far as the pleasures of bombastic noise are concerned, in an appropriate context and mood the effect is cathartic and cleansing. your senses are saturated, and when the piece ends the effect of hearing the ambience of the room restored is probably as appealing as the experience of the piece itself. i like variety and many different forms of music and sound, including noise. has anyone raised the issue of sadomasochism in noise music? obviously, there is a strong connection with some artists, notably merzbow and whitehouse (and judging from his set at björk's london show, dj smojphace, abusing his captive audience with painful noise). |
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hecker and kevin drumm are wicked... why? well as has been previously mentioned... the appeal is quite akin to ambient music... just being swept up in drone... i like it when you can sense a musicality to it... like you can hear the voice of the artist creeping through... there's a lot of shit noise... but the finest is some of the most "out-there" music to be found today |
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I personally favor something like zoviet france or dead voices on air over whitehouse or merzbow, although merzbow is interesting in small doses. As an artist it seems like working exclusively in modulating white noise would be somewhat unfulfilling, but more interesting when used as an occasional element in more dynamic pieces or maybe as a one time project to focus on. |
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Try downloading The Conet Project on soulseek, it has really nothing to do with music but I find it very pleasing to listen to - and there are some nice noisesounds there too. Info (i don't have the energy to hyperlink it): http://www.irdial.com/conet.htm |
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irdial! finally someone with taste! i LOVE aqua regia! |
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zoviet france is quite nice... and if i had to choose between not listening to noise or not listening to any of the other genres that i'm well acquainted with, ,i drop noise in a second... but it is still a curio... of sorts... and when i'm in the mood... quite lovely really (man, i've heard people describe noise this way so many times that "lovely" just falls from my tongue like reflex...) |
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Noise is too a genre of music. i know plenty of people who would disagree with you on that. Harsh Noise is a subgenre of Noise. http://www.noisemp3.com |
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good lord, what is that in your avatar? |
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