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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-06-11 13:46 [#00736748]
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does anyone have any experience with this? i'd like to use some fx'd samples from a recording that's owned by universal music group, and on the off chance that the track gets released, i don't want to end up in court. naturally, i have virtually no production budget since i record everything on a home-based "studio."
i doubt that planet µ paid for all the samples that were on "the cosmic forces of µ" so i wonder if it's possible to get away with some sample snippets if the new recording is only released independently in the uk.
splodgechops, can you offer any insight into this issue?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-11 13:58 [#00736751]
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if it cant be identified, then you are in the clear.
otherwise, your gonna have to pay. its unlikely anyone will let you use it free of charge.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-11 14:02 [#00736757]
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Nasty area to get into...
Is it going to be a 500 copy white label pressing? If so, say "fuck it" and do it anyway. If it's going to be slightly better distributed, you might want to check the services of these fine folk:
www.sampleclearance.com www.musicadmin.com
this later one is used by R&S - the fine Belgian Techno label where mr. James himself was first signed.
One more tip, at least have a B side that isn't a remix, preferably do a 4 track ep with it on. That way even if it becomes a big hit, they won't be able to get all the profits in royalties...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-11 14:04 [#00736759]
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erm, just checked and it doesn't look like music admin is about any more. Sampleclearance still works though.
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J-HOK
on 2003-06-11 14:16 [#00736768]
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id say dont worry unless you sell 100,000 copies or more
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-11 14:23 [#00736771]
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He he, naughty j-hok :P
I guess if it's IDM and not going to be used on adverts etc. the chnaces of the original owner hearing it are slim...
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-06-11 14:38 [#00736788]
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thanks for the input! for the record (no pun intended) the samples are piano chords, and they are pitch shifted into a totally different register, and worked into a track of an utterly different style. but the original track is co-written by and associated with duke ellington, and in jazz circles, probably well known. i did contact the licensing dept at universal and they seemed much more concerned with the entire master, not a few bits here and there. certainly, a keen ear with a broad knowledge of jazz might catch the connection, but it occurs to me also that legal action against would probably cost a lot more than what they could hope to recoup.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-06-11 14:42 [#00736793]
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yay jazz!
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soze
from Kingston (Jamaica) on 2003-06-11 20:21 [#00737108]
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Just do it. Like J-hok said, if you're under 100,000 units, which it sounds like you are and will be at least for a moment, you're small potatoes. Look at Planet Mu's 'Criminal' series, they're jacking whole tracks and getting away with it. They definitely didnt pay Eminem and MC Hammer and shit.
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