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due to this new law here in the netherlands it will be forbidden to smoke in a coffeeshop in 2004 i mean wtf?! isn't smoking the only reason people go there (next to buying pot) ? it's like forbidding people in a pub to drink or something... |
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i blame Roy Castle |
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Smoking is becoming sociablay unacceptable in lots of places, as more and more people demand clean air to breath. Its something that isn't going to stop, I personally don't have a problem with this as I don't smoke myself, but I also don't have a problem with people who do...hey...it's their lungs at the end of the day! |
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Can you buy pot there then smooke it at home then? I imagine you'll end up just with tobacconist type stores that sell it... |
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a few coffeshops i know just have a little booth type thig for selling with a different entrance than the actual coffeshops, so its been gettig slowly seperated form the socialisig area of the coffeshop |
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People demand clean air, but I don't see the fucking governments noticably cutting industrial air pollution or car pollution...it is a stupid PR exercise which impeads on free will. |
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Its a start though... |
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theres gonna be a big loss for the coffeeshops though, the weed business is usually run by different enterprises. i think the government really are trying to reduce the ammount of coffeshops overall and it looks like if this ban gets in theyll lose alot of income. not that they need the income anyway. |
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I always hated sitting in coffeeshops. don't really know why - maybe the kind of forced feeling that its supposed to be relaxed. |
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yeh, me too, coffeshops can be a bit shit, full of potheads. the really commercial shops too are a nightmare. they just want you in, buy a weed, have a drink and a joint then Fuckoff. they dont want you in there longer than 30 minutes. there was a time when you could go to any shop and just chill, but no more. theres only one or two where you can actually take it easy. |
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passive smoking is my only vice, they can't do that. i might have to take up smoking again |
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that sounds sooo lame :\ |
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i dont smoke in coffeeshops anyway, but if you're that attached to the place: -eat some spacecake -use a vaporizer (no smoke, no nicotine, no tar) i dont mind this at all, although it does seem a bit strange. |
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One day cigarettes will be made illegal. |
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those things are dead expensive though. |
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my friends are wanting to go to amsterdam after summer, if i give u a shout, could you tell me the whereabouts of some "nice" shops, phiz? |
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cigarettes will never be illegal, the governments make too much money from the tax they put on it. less cigarettes sold, less ambulances and cops...y'dig me? |
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smoking is retarded. I dont care of people smoke but I think it is a good idea when its illegal in a place where you have to smell it. for example, I think it should be illegal at concerts because I mean everyone in the room is smoking like 50 packs of cigarettes and we are standing listening to music possibly slowly dying, makes no fucking sense why cigarettes were ever created if you ask me, I have less problem with smoking other stuff but cigarette smoke makes me feel like shit. |
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oh im sure they use that tax money for ambulances and cops...muahaha |
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i recommend "Blue Bird" ,they have good quality weed, although i find them a little bit expensive. but maybe phiz knows some better shops |
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the restaurant i work in is nonsmoker by choice. the law in montreal doesnt prohibit smoking. in ottawa and new york, it does, though. no smoking in bars, restaurants, anywhere, really. i'd like to see that. i hate going out to a club and coming home and stinking like an ashtray. i stopped going out because of that. i hate it. i wish montreal would become nonsmoker... im glad that where i work is nonsmoker. the end. |
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Machinegod, thats fucked that you'd deny other peoples enjoyment of a gig cos you're afraid of a little bit of second hand smoke. just walking anywhere today you're inhaling all kinds of shit, not just some persons secondhand smoke nothing can stop you breathing in toxins apart from locking yourself away in a bubble |
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Yea but not getting second hand smoke is better then getting it. |
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but what difference does it make really though? i can understand a nonsmoker getting a lung full of shite standing next to someone but you know, stand somewhere else. |
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They shouldn't have to. They should be able to live without having someone's toxic fumes poisioning them. |
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in there own little 'special area'. in a perfect world |
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Well, there should be both, smoking areas that are enclosed from the non smoking areas... but if anything, the smokers should go out of their way to not endager the nonsmokers health. |
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The more population we have in this world, the tighter the laws become and our freedoms slowly get restricted ... it only makes sense. |
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"the tighter the laws become and our freedoms slowly get restricted" bollox, so you're saying I have to adjust my lifestyle to fit in with yours??? No chance!!! |
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It's called respect. Respect for people's health. Im not the dumb-ass smoking toxic fumes because im too weak and a slave to em. If you can't understand why you shouldn't en-danger other people's health, then fine. |
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I don't even really care because here most places are forbiden to allow people to smoke. So it's all good. |
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smoking is gross... it should be banned from every public place, if it's not already... smoking is something which definitely does have negative effects on other people, and so shouldn't be allowed in public places... |
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Things that are legal vs things that are illegal are just mixed up... |
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but what goods it gonna do seperating people??? |
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It's not about seperating people. It's about seperating second hand smoke from people who do not want to inhale it. It'll protect people's lungs from all the many poisons found in cigarettes. |
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of course you're seperating people, all the smokers in one box and all the nonsmokers in another box. |
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There's options... quit smoking, have a smoke then join the non-smoking box, go without for a few hours... god this is pathetic. you'd rather be seperated because of a ridiculous addiction.. instead of not being a slave and being with the people you would of been seperated from. |
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You're a smoker though.. ofcourse you'll try to defend it. Whatever.. honestly it doesn't effect me anymore because of the laws and where I go. |
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so what about MY options? I dont want to be seperated from nobody, but because YOU decide you wouldnt associate with us non smokers you've cut yourself off, and us off from experiencing you. i dont want to wind you up, but you know, i do respect peoples space, but theres only so far you can go, once isolation starts of certian groups of people we're fucked. |
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I dunno. I personally don't seperate from my friends if they decide to all sit in the smoking section... but not too many of them smoke so it ain't really an issue. Anyways, um.. I dunno. I just believe that people should have both options. Since it's legal to smoke.... |
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I wouldn't cvall it isolation... Why not just step outside for a smoke.. it takes 5 minutes.. it';s not liek you're smoking 24/7... unless you're a crazy chain smoker.. but .. you know? I mean it's you that wants to smoke so you should deal with the consequences. |
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Oh and im not winded up.. (haha winded?)... maybe it's your avatar.. it's very comforting.. I know I probably shouldn't change my reactions based on avatars.. but damnit.. it's automatic. Is that you if not who is it? |
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i can understand where your comin from though, because i know that i do actually fuckin stink when a nonsmoker smells you, as you say, i'm a smoker so i'm oblivious to the smells and stink that i give off, but you can choose not to be there so... the option is there but it seems a bit shit to me. I just hate the idea of seperating people |
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I understand. I don't know how it can be solved though... it seems more and more places are banning smoking (so I win muahahaha... JK). Smoking is really really good though... too bad it's so bad for you. |
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smoking might become another underground drug though, i mean its been a government approved drug for so long and its generated alot of money for people that to get rid of it from the public consumption would create big problems. |
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It's a known fact that second hand smoke is more effective ...... so what close off those who are smoking ciggs as if they "we" are weird freaks. but then if people "I' smoke weed in a restaurant then you "them" wont be affected. Why? because marijuana smoke is not effective to those who arent smoking. No smoking in bars?? how can smokers "I" not be able to smoke while drinking?? this is insane!! so we have to wait to leave to smoke which causes those "me" to not want to stay long at a restaurant. What is there to be done you ask...well absolutely nothing. |
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they have a really good system in my town at least. instead of forcing cafes and resturaunts to become smoke free, it's an option, but if they choose to ban smoking they get either a tax deduction or just a bonus of some kind. |
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That's quite a good incentive. |
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by either i ment i'm not sure, not that they get to choose between the two. p.s. cigarrettes are bad for you |
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Coffeshops: Siberie - just round the corner from the Doors and Rokerij coffeshops, quieter and a nice selection of buds. Speakeasy - cheapest weed anywhere in the center, tiny place but worth it. Abraxas - All your weed eating needs, lovely weed cakes and weed milkshakes. A couple of tram stops: Today - tram 24 to Centuurbaan, lovely buds at good prices. De Bommel - tram 13 to Mecartorplein, some lovely buds, and marvellous hash. De Prijse - tram 1 to Surenameplein, cheap and lovely buds. will try to think of some more, cant think off the top of my head. |
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