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Okay bear with me here while i try to explain this... If a song is easy to dance to, does that make it pop? Think about this: Trance/house/techno is very popular because it is easy to dance to and it gets a lot of playtime in the clubs. Now some of you will say "so-and-so is danceable but he/she isn't pop." Now, what if 'so-and-so' had more exposure? A lot of music talked about on this board has a good beat and its in 4/4 time, however its not popular and I believe this is because of lack of airtime/playtime/media attention. My point being: Does making a good dance tune (in any style) automatically destined to be more popular than an undanceable tune? |
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so what about, for example, a waltz? |
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something is pop if it is popular... |
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"Does making a good dance tune (in any style) automatically destined to be more popular than an undanceable tune?" yes. |
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so does this have to do with our ancient ancestors gathered around the campfire playing drums? Is it just in our blood to like good dance tunes? |
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As the great Rass Kass said on Sould On Ice (it was about rap but applied here too) "Make a radio hit, heads criticize it, underground classic no body buys it, so rap is fucked and everything blowing up sounds redundant" |
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so when I produce my obscure electronic record which never goes mainstream, rap is fucked? |
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this would explain a lot, you see. |
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Yes...exactly...you are very wise :D |
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I don't know. I really don't. I know most 4 to the floor stuff either bores my tits into oblivion or irritates me to the core of my being. |
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SO IT IS TRUE! I always suspected, but never knew for sure. WE MUST REFRAIN FROM PRODUCING NON-COMMERCIAL RECORDS NOW!!! IT COULD MEAN THE DOWNFALL OF RAP, DAMN YOU!! |
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The downfall of rap may not be a bad thing...it might mean more people will listen to idm...which mean more people will visit this board...which means perhaps some of them would listen and comment on my music :D |
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YOU ARE RIGHT! I always suspected, but never knew for sure. WE MUST START PRODUCING MORE NON-COMMERCIAL RECORDS NOW!!! IT COULD MEAN THE DOWNFALL OF RAP, DAMN YOU!! |
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Pop implies made for the public. Dancability has nothing to do with it... hazy lines When I think "pop" I think top 20 hits right now... popular rap with no real message besides buy this, buy that, bling bling, wtf.... boy bands with no talent... ANYONE who has their music written for them... anyone who is popular for reasons other than talent, or at least 50% talent... any band I can immediately pick out that will be a one hit wonder There are plenty of popular artists (popular at one point or another) that I wouldn't consider "pop" Orbital, Tool, Chemical Brothers... they make "pop" sounding pieces which sound cookie cutter, but it isn't the majority of their work |
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"Dancability has nothing to do with it..." what!? how did you get that idea? have you looked at Top 40 lists lately? there are ballads too, yes, but those also are not that strange rhythmically. |
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naaaa pop literally is how popular something is. i can dance to pusher which isn';t pop but i can't dance to ballads which are pop. danceability really has quite little do to with it. |
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yes because popularity is based on radio play which is primarily directed at teenagers who spend their parents money to by music they can dance to |
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pop = poop |
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pachi post = pointless |
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But I think when any person hears a song they wil instinctually be drawn towards it if its a good dance tune. But like in qrtr's case he wouldn't, but that is only because he's heard many different types of music and he prefers more abstract things. However maybe qrtr doesn't like to dance :) I bet qrtr could write a good dance tune if he wanted. |
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obviously you missed it |
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god my band director would flip over this topic. he'd say, now guys, everything but "art music" is pop... he would say, "pop music has its place, it is great for expressing the times, but art music is where it's at. there's a reason that it has stayed with us for hundreds of years." |
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define 'a dance tune' that'll make 12 year olds and 45 year olds feel the need to start moving. qrtr is just being contrary.... |
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it IS true I do not like to dance, yes. and it's not like I hate ALL 4/4 tracks - but 99,9% of them. I understood the question on a purely rhythmical level though - 4/4 just appeals more to people, whether they want to dance to it or not. I still come back to what I said earlier - look at the current top 40 of your country. how many tracks there feature an unusual rhythmical base? |
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"But I think when any person hears a song they wil instinctually be drawn towards it if its a good dance tune." I agree. just doesn't mean when you hear it you have to drop everything you were doing and start dancing, JivverDicker. actually, I only say this to be contrary. :P |
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read again what you are agreeing to........'any person' etc. read it again.......maybe you are not being contrary (but you are you lying witch!), it just looks like that 8 p |
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well, it depends on what you call a "good dance tune" ofcourse. if you have a point to make though, just make it, don't get all cryptical on my ass! :) |
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AND! in what way do you think I'm being contrary? because I say I generally don't like 4/4 stuff? |
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You can have a good 5/4 or 6/8 dance tune also. As long as it has a catchy beat (ie: no Vsnares or most AE) |
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i say vsnares and ae, because they are more abstract: if you dance to them thats fine, but I bet you look silly doing it ;) |
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