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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:07 [#00713533]
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ehhehe......i heard this song on the radio (great song too!) today and it made me think of something.
how so many music acts today are popular and get played cos of the videos they make. it gets people into their music and makes them STARS.
isn't it odd how not many IDM videos are played on MTV (dunno about much music) do you think it contributes to a lot of people NOT knowing more IDM musicians??? they barely know Aphex and he's been around forever......
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-24 21:11 [#00713536]
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I think the 60's and 70's would've been totally different if music videos existed then... it's true, people become popular because of image, and not the music... it's pretty sick... as far as IDM is concerned though, I don't really think that it's not popular because it doesn't fit the image... I just think maybe the music is too "extreme" to fit in with the nice pop music that they play on mtv and muchmusic... I mean, Windowlicker is quite a funny and amusing video... very well done and all that! It's exactly the type of video that would do well on tv I think, but the song is not pop...
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-05-24 21:15 [#00713542]
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that song is by trevor horn, currently responsible for tatu and the genuis behind frankie goes to hollywood.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-05-24 21:15 [#00713543]
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'IDM' isn't as underground as some will lead you to believe...a lot of it is how you play with effects in a music program, that's it. There used to be a cool show on european mtv that played allsorts of electronica but it's stopped now... 8 (
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:15 [#00713544]
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i DO think windowlicker is one of Aphex's more accessable song. and the video is RAD!!!
i mean some of these artists make music for years and since their vidoes are not played they don't get their due.....exposure wise, etc...
i mean if you said Aphex, RDJ, or Squarepusher.....people say who. what......you say Brittney and they can tell you who she's dating.....it sucks
IMAGE = everything in music....it's a sad but true fact!
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steve
from chicago on 2003-05-24 21:18 [#00713546]
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And Richard wouldn't be nearly as popular as he is had Come To Daddy not made a few waves on MTV. Even though it didn't get N'Sync type rotation, the little exposure it got from the video was huge for an artist like Aphex Twin.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:18 [#00713547]
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damn........i'm not surprised he's still putting out hits.......that song had me singing along and it's been YEARS since i've heard it on the radio.....ahhahhah
the 'buggles' right? anyway he sure has a way with those POP songs.....
jivver....why do you think it stopped. has it become less popular in europe? it DOES seem to me that the europeans are ahead of the game when it comes to this kind of music.....
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-05-24 21:22 [#00713550]
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I don't know!
have you heard how loud the kick is in 'video killed the radiostar'!
sorry, I'm drunk now........anything I say has to be taken with a pinch of salt.....
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-24 21:23 [#00713553]
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video killed the radio star was the first video played by mtv was it not? That's kinda cool!
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:24 [#00713555]
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MTV is shit.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:25 [#00713556]
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*brews coffee*
i'm not sure what you mean by KICK ?, but that song is RAD baby.....RAD!!!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-05-24 21:30 [#00713565]
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bass drum
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:31 [#00713567]
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ok.....here's another thought
i think in this day in age of music videos, etc etc.......that
LOOKS = MUSIC career, more than
TALENT = MUSIC career
i think it's 50/50 look/talent......if not more LOOKS......how sad is THAT!
bonus points if you bare you breasts or ass as much as possible in videos!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-24 21:33 [#00713569]
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heh, I watched a behind the music episode about 1979 or 1980 or something... anyways, it was the first year of MTV... and they did say that the start of music television did mean the end of some singers careers... and they mentioned that guy who sang the song Sailing as one of the casulties... but hey, maybe that's a good thing!! :)
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2003-05-24 21:33 [#00713571]
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Like kick drum I believe...
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:37 [#00713576]
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ummm i don't pay attention to drums.....YIPES!
however it's true. if you don't look good in tight jeans and or tight shirts or have a 6 pack.....forget about getting on TRL
mtv is crap, but lets face it, it's numbah one for a reason. thats what everyone goes to for direction on music buying, etc...
if i were a manager, i know eggactly what would sell records...T & A.....it's sick.....women becoming OBJECTIFIED.......suckOrZ
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-05-24 21:38 [#00713577]
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P J proby used to stitch his pants really loosly so they'd come apart during his performance....Elvis emulated some of it for his performance. It has switched around where it's boobs and fanny etc!.........
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-05-24 21:38 [#00713579]
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rod stewart? i only wish it was
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2003-05-24 21:41 [#00713583]
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Well LeCoeur...
Not eberyone is interested in art...just look how packed are museums...
What Mtv give is enteratainment...and that's what people want...
The cd in the end is just merchandising...
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:42 [#00713586]
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well i wouldn't mind some hunka hunka buring love's pants falling off......ERRR did i just say that.......ahahhah
anyway, a friend works in LA where they sell those TIGHT TIGHT pants to those RAWK stars who still wear them, and they routinely have to restich certain areas....=0)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:45 [#00713588]
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thing is people USED to be......does a generation REALLY change things so much? i guess the answer is YES
but it's crazy, cos these boy/girl bands and flesh revealing music artists are just so lame. i saw the effects when i went to the mall recently (i avoid them like the plague) i saw stores selling lil kiddy clothes called TORRID, WET SEAL, etc....and all these clothes were for LIL kiddos......
loss of innocense is so sad, and they don't even realize it!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-05-24 21:46 [#00713589]
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*kiss*
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:49 [#00713591]
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awwwww
i know i'm RANTING, but it drives me nuts sometimes! i don't want my nieces to become lil christina aguillera look a likes......=/
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-05-24 21:49 [#00713592]
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It's allways been there, just let your kids have some fun before they are force fed that nonsense.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-24 21:54 [#00713594]
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yuppers.......i wish they didn't watch so much TV..........bahhhhhh
doesn't really matter since the arguement is academic......things won't change despite wishing they would
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-24 22:03 [#00713602]
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Christopher Cross was the guys name...
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-24 22:04 [#00713605]
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MTV are brainwashers
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-24 22:06 [#00713606]
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<---- future of our children, parading around in their panties for horny pimple faced teens and attention starved sluts on xltronic
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-24 22:08 [#00713609]
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hey, I get plenty of attention!!
:)
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-24 22:09 [#00713610]
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all people need attention
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-24 22:10 [#00713611]
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<--- does the forbidden dance as a sign of deep sympathy for people who need to talk about their ass to get attention
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-24 22:14 [#00713615]
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I don't need to talk about my ass... it does all the talking BABEE!!! *does exotic ass shaking dance*
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-24 22:15 [#00713616]
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even babies need to talk about their behinds to get attention. they do it through crying when they have a diaper accident, you see.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-25 00:28 [#00713654]
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if you want my body and you think im sexy come on sugar let me know
if you really need me just reach out and touch me come on honey tell me so!
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nacmat
on 2003-05-25 03:25 [#00713684]
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>I dont know if tv killed the radio star... I think its obvious that tv killed the good musician... but v generated the silly, empty and musicless star
in spain tv programs about music are fucking shit... not even about mainstream pop... its the crappiest shit what they put... and thats what little children and teens watch, so grea!!! ourkids are growing up thats music
sad
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2003-05-25 05:30 [#00713723]
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Well at least my nephew (and probably niece as well) are getting exposure to good music, or at least different music thanks to me. I try to play a little Aphex Twin here, a little Autechre here... usually anything with a thumping beat gets my nephew going.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2003-05-25 16:58 [#00714655]
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i saw a very trippy aphex twin video for schotkey 7th path on mtv chillout zone once... surprised the shit out of me. woke up at a friends house totally wasted and it was on, i was like wtf, and then fell asleep again.
Also, Come to Daddy was played a HELL of a lot on mtv, everyone in school was talking about the "scary" video that was being shown on mtv, and also windowlicker's always on that mtv x-rated show.
Apart from that though, i know what you're talking about.. But do we really want idm on tv and in the mainstream? I'm happy with it where it is.. I'm glad it's not something every shithead is into..
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regital
from Baltimore (United States) on 2003-05-25 17:13 [#00714656]
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Image is everything
Thirst is nothing
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-25 19:56 [#00714728]
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Kinda interesting how Sprite claims to be against image, and denounces it and all that... yet that is it's image... some people probably fall for it too... "Oooh, sprite is so hardcore!!!" :)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-25 20:04 [#00714740]
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whats wrong with IDM being liked by the masses?? i don't think you have the RIGHT attitude about music. why should it be exclusive?
you want these guys to MAKE a living, make money, so they can KEEP making more and more music. i don't think that RDJ or any of the others would mind if people would sell out music shoppes when their albums were released. don't be fooled by those artists who say they don't wanna be popular, not true. they would rather make some cash and have the money to keep making music.
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mimi
on 2003-05-26 01:40 [#00714894]
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i like idm where it is too, LeCoeur. I think it's at such a cool level of popularity. I like the way small labels handle things themselves (how cool is it that toytronic is run by gimmik and friends? or that autechre is at the top of the skam foodchain?). it's fun to feel closer to the music you listen to...that's something i don't really feel when i listen to bjork because i am one in a million. if i email trent reznor, he's not gonna get back to me. but say i drop a note to crunch -- i might get a response. i agree, good artists deserve recognition, but i think they get a lot more out of small things when things are on a small scale.
and as for the money-making issue...i'm always going to be the one to say you don't need money to make music. there are plenty of musicians with jobs on the side. a lot of people would love to do something they would perhaps consider a hobby for a living...but not everyone can do it, and i love when people understand this!
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-26 01:43 [#00714897]
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oh man your avatar is incredible :D
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mimi
on 2003-05-26 01:43 [#00714898]
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and by "cool level of popularity" i dont mean, oh it's underground so it is cool, i mean that i am comfortable and happy with it.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-26 01:46 [#00714900]
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reminds me of kid606's song: MP3 Killed The CD Star
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-26 11:33 [#00715329]
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how ridiculous, through and through. sorry. seems a bit selfish to me to want to keep "idm" artists in the back corner of your pocket like that. it's the sort of elitist attitude that keeps this music from gaining more popularity.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-26 12:02 [#00715359]
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i feel that way too.
i often worry that we're doing the wrong thing by hiding our music from mass populations, yet we rant about how corrupt pop music is these days.
maybe one day the idm influence would spread like a wildfire? who knows..?
all music should be shared, and who gives a damn of not everyone likes a particular genre? there's something for everybody out there!
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-26 12:34 [#00715402]
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couldn't disagree with you more. and i'm sure RDJ and other IDM artists would prolly feel the same way.
ask an artist on this MB if he wouldn't LOVE to have his music played on the radio, and his CD to sell 1000's of copies, i'd be interested to see how many would say 'not me, not me' i want my music to be heard by only a FEW people.
artists would prolly do anything to give up their 'side job' to concentrate on MUSIC full time, who wants to do some crappy job when you'd rather be creating art, or music.
the arguement just doesn't make sense!
btw....you're wrong about mr reznor as well. i'm sure if you got thousands of fan emails gushing all over you wouldn't answer, HOWEVER if you got a clever one, or something that asked a serious or whimsicle question they'd answer. music artists REALLY are just normal people, who ususally wanna be treated as such.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-26 12:59 [#00715431]
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just one other comment........
which is why i started this topic.
the videos that cunningham and rdj made are fantastic.....like mini movies, it's a SHAME others have not been able to see it. i mean they do all this work, not for themselves, but for so others can get something out of it.
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mimi
on 2003-05-26 21:14 [#00716045]
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i really don't think that i am the shit for liking this kind of music honestly...i don't think i have an elitist attitude about the genre at all actually. sure, maybe it is a little selfish of me to like feeling CLOSER to the artists i like, but i don't think that's it's SUCH a terrible thing.
i like that when an idm show comes around, it isn't going to be in an arena, and i'm actually going to be able to see the stage (even if it is just knob twiddling ;-)). i like that when funkstorung shows up in town, i am not going to have to pay a ticket scalper a chunk of change to go see it.
i am not saying that the great artists out there dont deserve recognition and even money. it is just my opinion that being an artist full time is a luxury that most people have no chance of getting.
with my previous post, i wasn't really trying to touch on the fact that artists would love to reach a wide audience. of course they would...it just seems less overwhelming the way it is. i like that i get goodies like handpainted pictures with shipments of records! i think it's wonderful that everyone seems to know everyone else in this genre. there are just so many cool things about idm the way it is right now that i wouldn't mind terribley if it stayed like this for a while...
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-26 21:20 [#00716047]
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i'll agree with you that intimacy in a live venue is very important for this type of music, but i disagree with everything you said before cos it's counter to everything good about music and a slap in the face to artists who don't want to have to work a full time job just so they can afford to buy a couple synths. so many people already do, and more importantly, WOULD love this style of music if they only heard it.
that said, i think you clarified yourself pretty well though mimi! i can identify with what you're saying even if i fundamentally disagree on some major points.
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