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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-20 23:41 [#00707732]
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an article in the guardian: me and my monkey
say, ever wonder why we're such sex-obsessed war-mongering freaks?
here's some excerpts:
"Chimps have language. They can, and do, communicate with humans. There is a linguist chimp called Nim Chimpsky with a vocabulary of 125 signs, all used correctly. Chimps can solve problems, use tools and when they lose their teeth, even improvise a makeshift food blender. Two observers have now claimed to see chimps in the wild leaving each other "notes". Separate groups of chimpanzees have different ways of doing things, and pass these ways on through the generations: that is, chimpanzees have culture, just as humans have culture.
Some laboratory animals can count up to nine, and remember a sequence of up to five Arabic numerals. Captive chimps have starred in films, performed in television commercials, and served each other afternoon tea at London Zoo. They are naturally political creatures: they have been observed forming alliances, using subterfuge and launching breakaway parties. They use violence to get their way when they can, and sex to get their way when they cannot. "
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-21 02:40 [#00707816]
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some also live in texas .. what?
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-21 02:44 [#00707819]
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hehe chimps for president...
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-21 02:47 [#00707820]
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if i had a face like a chimp, i think i'd be well depressed ...
nim chimpsky was trained by Premack right? the Behaviourist, a clever guy - though his findings also showed that the language capacity of chimps is quite limited .. be interesting to test dolphins methinks - they have a larger, and more convoluted brain -> suggesting greater brainPOWER!!! ??
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-21 02:55 [#00707822]
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what is perhaps the most fascinating aspect of a creature's thinking capacity is that the larger the brain and the higher the level of intelligence, the more increased the tendency to engage in violent acts towards one's own species which are not dictated strictly by survival.
if i'm not mistaken, dolphins are the only other creatures other than humans which engage in violence for violence's sake, and other than a species of monkeys, they are also one of the few to take pleasure out of sexual intercourse.
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-21 02:56 [#00707823]
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speaking of texan primates:
the texas monkey
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-21 03:22 [#00707849]
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not only the size of the brain, its also how convoluted. the neanderthal had a larger brain capacity, however was said to be "dumber" than sapiens, because sapiens had a more convoluted/complex brain structure ...
didn't know that about dolphins - the violence bit. mmm... i'd be very cagey about drawing any morals from these findings though ...
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-21 03:58 [#00707867]
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moral conslusion: random unprovoked violence is OK! after all, monkeys & dolphins both do it!
"The news that chimps are genetically almost identical to humans - and apparently more developed than some England football fans - did not appear to have penetrated London Zoo."
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-21 04:53 [#00707912]
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we and the primates share 98% DNA... our ancestors were, contrary to popular belief, bipeds -- ie, we are descended from Gorillas... we and they have a common ancestor, who walked on two legs -- the 'apes' went into the forests, while the protohuman went into the plains and continued walking upright.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-21 04:54 [#00707913]
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fuck -- ie we are NOT descended from Gorillas!
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diablo
on 2003-05-21 05:06 [#00707919]
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Humans - nearly chimps
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