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offline manticore from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-20 23:41 [#00707732]
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an article in the guardian:
me and my monkey

say, ever wonder why we're such sex-obsessed war-mongering
freaks?

here's some excerpts:

"Chimps have language. They can, and do, communicate with
humans. There is a linguist chimp called Nim Chimpsky with a
vocabulary of 125 signs, all used correctly. Chimps can
solve problems, use tools and when they lose their teeth,
even improvise a makeshift food blender. Two observers have
now claimed to see chimps in the wild leaving each other
"notes". Separate groups of chimpanzees have different ways
of doing things, and pass these ways on through the
generations: that is, chimpanzees have culture, just as
humans have culture.

Some laboratory animals can count up to nine, and remember a
sequence of up to five Arabic numerals. Captive chimps have
starred in films, performed in television commercials, and
served each other afternoon tea at London Zoo. They are
naturally political creatures: they have been observed
forming alliances, using subterfuge and launching breakaway
parties. They use violence to get their way when they can,
and sex to get their way when they cannot. "



 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-21 02:40 [#00707816]
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some also live in texas .. what?


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-21 02:44 [#00707819]
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hehe chimps for president...


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-21 02:47 [#00707820]
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if i had a face like a chimp, i think i'd be well depressed
...

nim chimpsky was trained by Premack right? the Behaviourist,
a clever guy - though his findings also showed that the
language capacity of chimps is quite limited .. be
interesting to test dolphins methinks - they have a larger,
and more convoluted brain -> suggesting greater
brainPOWER!!! ??


 

offline manticore from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-21 02:55 [#00707822]
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what is perhaps the most fascinating aspect of a creature's
thinking capacity is that the larger the brain and the
higher the level of intelligence, the more increased the
tendency to engage in violent acts towards one's own species
which are not dictated strictly by survival.

if i'm not mistaken, dolphins are the only other creatures
other than humans which engage in violence for violence's
sake, and other than a species of monkeys, they are also one
of the few to take pleasure out of sexual intercourse.


 

offline manticore from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-21 02:56 [#00707823]
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speaking of texan primates:

the texas monkey


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-21 03:22 [#00707849]
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not only the size of the brain, its also how
convoluted. the neanderthal had a larger brain capacity,
however was said to be "dumber" than sapiens, because
sapiens had a more convoluted/complex brain structure ...

didn't know that about dolphins - the violence bit. mmm...
i'd be very cagey about drawing any morals from these
findings though ...


 

offline manticore from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-21 03:58 [#00707867]
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moral conslusion: random unprovoked violence is OK! after
all, monkeys & dolphins both do it!

"The news that chimps are genetically almost identical to
humans - and apparently more developed than some England
football fans - did not appear to have penetrated London
Zoo."


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-05-21 04:53 [#00707912]
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we and the primates share 98% DNA... our ancestors were,
contrary to popular belief, bipeds -- ie, we are descended
from Gorillas... we and they have a common ancestor, who
walked on two legs -- the 'apes' went into the forests,
while the protohuman went into the plains and continued
walking upright.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-05-21 04:54 [#00707913]
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fuck -- ie we are NOT descended from Gorillas!


 

offline diablo on 2003-05-21 05:06 [#00707919]
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Humans - nearly chimps


 


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