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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 07:16 [#00706459]
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...to brush his teeth?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 07:17 [#00706463]
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Only joking...I want to know what the drum is he uses in a lot of his tracks..The kind of light snare, I can't figure out how to do it. I know Pennyworth knows but doe anyone else?
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 07:58 [#00706517]
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sounds to me like an 808 style kit..atleast for drukqs, but i also heard he uses some 70's syn drums
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-20 08:00 [#00706518]
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which snare sound - ie. which track??
i know he uses the 808 and 909 a bit, and the 606, and 707? or is it 727 ??? maybe you can get it with playing around with properties of the 808 snare with some sampler eg. Halion???
but yeah, i'd be keen to know as well ... arsefox?
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-20 08:01 [#00706519]
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the 606 snare is quite light .. but i don't really know what you mean by "light" .. mmm..
i prefer snappy and crisp snare's
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:02 [#00706520]
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have you guys noticed the cheezy background drum texture in Tapr? sounds like reallly low quality kit. probably the only recognizable instrument in that track, gotta love it
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:02 [#00706521]
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I tried the 808 and 707...I just can't get that Aphex sound, if you know what I mean. It is more out of interest than necessity. :)
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:04 [#00706523]
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That's what I mean...on his drill tracks he uses a really crisp snare but I just can't get any snare to sound like it.
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:05 [#00706524]
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perhaps he adds a light crunchy distortion to the snare.. mmm crunchy, now im hungry
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:07 [#00706526]
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i've read that he writes his own programs to make sounds. his music is so customized that it's hard to get the smae sounds.
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:09 [#00706528]
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that indeed.. but if he used them for drukQs.. he used them very suddlely (is that a word) cause of a lot of those breakbeats just sound like really high-quality highly mastered basic drum kits.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:09 [#00706529]
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I don't believe all that stuff for one second. People make a lot of stuff up about him just because he very rarely speaks to the press...plus arsefox can do it D
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:10 [#00706532]
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why is that so unbelievable?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:16 [#00706545]
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Pointless more than unbelievable...I mean is you use programming packages for sound manipulation such as MAX then OK but why would anyone want to go making their own sounds from scratch when there are already so many products that let you do it?
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:18 [#00706552]
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well to give the guy credit.. maybe its more personal to him.. ive heard that his most personal and favorite tracks he will never release to the public
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:20 [#00706554]
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if you wanted to make a cake would you:
a) buy some betty crocker and be done with it or b) make it from scratch and enjoy it more afterwards
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:21 [#00706555]
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c) are you such a bad cook you can't do either
theres my answer
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:22 [#00706556]
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but that isn't a good analogy...because you are talking about a final product there...it would be more a case of would you buy the ingredients for the cake or make the flour, yeast etc. yourself.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:22 [#00706557]
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well then you can have some of mine when it's finished. *that's what richard says to his listeners
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:23 [#00706560]
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but to make some completely original, i think, would give so much more personal enjoyment to the music.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:25 [#00706561]
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But he says himself in interviews that he uses pro tools and recycle...even if he does i just want to know the source of the drum that him and arsefox use :D
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:25 [#00706562]
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egg-sact-lee
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:26 [#00706563]
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i'm not sure exactly what he uses, i'm just saying that writing your own programs to make music wouldn't be absurd and pointless.
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:27 [#00706566]
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im 99% certain he writes his own programs.. but what do u have to say about the rumors claiming he created his outboard instruments from scratch out of different electronic parts of tv's stereos, etc....???
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-20 08:28 [#00706567]
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he uses a quill pen -- I know that for a fact
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:29 [#00706569]
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that would be crazy. he is a musical genious, and i think it could be possible. i have tons of respect for afx.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:30 [#00706572]
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He said he messed about yer ago with that sort of stuff and doesn't any more, because he can make all the sounds he wants on computer. I have heard he is writing a music generation package that produces random tunes, but never that he actually writes stuff to make his own sounds.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-20 08:31 [#00706573]
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I think he is an electronics student - hence making his own analogue synths.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:31 [#00706574]
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You're confusing him with the original Mozart mate...
I fnd it hard to believe things like that he built his own sampler...
a) how could you- chips are incredibly expensive to make in small quantities and if it was tape based you can already get ones like that
b) Why would you? It's hard enough saying with certainty which synth someone used, let alone a sampler... in any event, s/w samplers have much nicer UIs these days than hardware based ones- especially for making whole tracks rather than just playing samples live/when DJing.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-20 08:32 [#00706576]
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NO NO NO NO - he is not the kin of mozart! he is the kin of beethoven!!!!!
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:33 [#00706577]
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marlowes right...he went to college to study electronics but dropped out to make music...and he did used to take old electronic equipment apart to make them make wierd sounds, he did the same with old synths and made them into hybrids.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:33 [#00706578]
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by that second point I meant "samplers of a high enough quality don't sound different, the only reason you'd make a custom one would be for the user interface, which would be redundant as it's easier in software"
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:34 [#00706580]
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Also who said anything about sampler :D
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:34 [#00706581]
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quill pen?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:34 [#00706583]
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I don't debate that he might of modded synths, but I read an interview saying he made his own sampler- I find that ahrd to believe and that makes me doubt the other claims...
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S M Pennyworth
from East Timor on 2003-05-20 08:34 [#00706584]
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what kind of snare exactly? =)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-20 08:35 [#00706586]
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yes - are you familiar with this old-fashioned writing instrument?
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cataLYST
from Waldorf (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:36 [#00706588]
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i knew it.. hes the next noah's arc, savin those damn animals
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:36 [#00706589]
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don't you think that maybe after almost 20 years of making music he would get tired of using the same equipment? he may make his own equipment for, like you said, the user interface. plus, he may want to understand every little thing about music and how its created.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:36 [#00706590]
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Just tell me what you use to mke music and i will be a very happy chappy :D
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:37 [#00706592]
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I agree with Ceri...the level of sound manipulation with software packages now is boundless. There is absolutely nothing that could be gained from making your own stuff.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:39 [#00706600]
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absolutly nothing? you make writing music sound like its a job. if you enjoy something alot, then you will want to know everything about it and be a master of it. well, maybe not everyone is like that. i get that way sometimes.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:42 [#00706602]
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I agree that he might do it for the hell of it (I use custom graphics stuff that could, I suppose, be done in photoshop with custom filters with little discernable difference...), but the practicality of making a sampler is still the issue- I'm not an expert on electronics by any means, but I can appreciate the complexity (not to mention expense!) of making a sampler from scratch. Perhaps he modded one to make the UI a bit more friendly, but I'll wager the photograph of that sampler in the NME article is just a publicity mock up...
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:42 [#00706604]
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we are not referring to making music though we are talking about making sounds to make music with.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-20 08:43 [#00706606]
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I know, at one stage I was really into what was going on in computers in minute detail (threads in OSes, the way chips worked on an electronic level), I thought it'd be cool to one day make/design a computer from scratchs o you would understand it at every level...
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 08:45 [#00706611]
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i guess maybe i don't understand the difficulty involved. i just think it'd be cool to make all your equipment from scratch. i don't think it'd be good for you primary equipment, but to just make it would be cool.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-20 08:47 [#00706614]
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ceri -- in one of the better articles he sais he made a sampler, but all it ever did was make some weird squelchy sound and then died .. (or something to that effect), so he didn't really blow up the rumour ... ??
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 08:56 [#00706638]
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It is really very very very simple as you would expect from a system of 0 and 1.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-20 09:00 [#00706641]
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btw my degree is in software engineering and we did the whole processor design etc. as part of the course...I was amazed at how stupidly simple a thing that is perceived as a complex system really is.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-05-20 09:01 [#00706643]
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i can't decide whether to go into software engineering or networking? any opinions?
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