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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-19 02:09 [#00704829]
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Hello all.
I'm doing an essay on Walter Benjamin at the moment, but have am stuck on a French phrase he uses.
"citation á l'ordre du jour"
FreeTranslation gives me "quotation á the order of the day" ... but i need a bit more than that. Ie. i need better grammar in english to understand what the point of the phrase is!? Any comments with regards to this would be much appreciated.
Oh and the Aphex Twins make some ok music :)
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-19 02:17 [#00704837]
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Something like 'mentionned in the current topics of discussion' in the context of a meeting.
Give me the complete sentence, I'll try my luck at a freestyle translation.
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life sucks - let's change the rules of the game
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-19 02:23 [#00704842]
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Hey cheers dude.
Sentence is: "Each moment it has lived becomes a citation á l'ordre du jour - and that day is Judgement Day."
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-19 02:35 [#00704855]
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OK in that context ( I like the way english speaking ppl use french words in the wrong context - like 'c'est la vie' ) I understand that he wants to emphasize the notion of instant/urgency of life.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-19 02:37 [#00704858]
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Thanks so much for your help. Haha, its even more complicated than that, because its an English translation of what was originally a German Text :)
So ... every moment is like Judgement Day? (that would make sense)
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str_ph
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-19 02:45 [#00704873]
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What does the 'it" reffers to in your quote ? Looks like he wants to say that ( every moment is like Judgement Day ).
I saw Matrix Reloaded this Week-end , the merovingian part is hilarious - the guys curses like a drunken fench sailor.
Everybody did recognize Monica Belluci as the french doll - the same Monica you can see in irreversible ( that was discussed not so long ago on this forum ).
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-19 03:18 [#00704928]
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it = mankind.
Thanks a bunch, that's well helpful. Haven't seen new Matrix yet ...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-05-19 03:49 [#00704945]
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I thought this guy wrote Marxist lit crit. You're doing philosophy aren't you?
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-19 04:04 [#00704961]
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haha .. yeah dude. I'm doing him for my 20th Century German paper .. I'm doing an essay on his "Thesis on the Philosophy of History". Brilliant (and short) piece of writing.
Benjamin is amazing (- bar the messianism). I might add he was quite an unconventional Marxist ... but i totally rate his notion of retroactive force something you Marxists forget haha .. It also works quite nicely in light of Post-modernism, and functions quite possibly as a critique of the whole pomo scene ...
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uzim
on 2003-05-19 05:45 [#00705040]
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"citation à l'ordre du jour"?
hmm... i'd say maybe it's the quote that fits today, which is about the subject discussed today...
but that is weird, i never heard "citation à l'ordre du jour" - maybe he meant "sujet à l'ordre du jour" instead (which means the subject being discusse/ having to be discussed today)!
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-19 05:58 [#00705058]
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"quote that fits today" fits perfectly ... ie. everyday is (quote) "judgement" day
its quite an unusual notion of history, but a paper well worth reading.
Walter Benjamin - Thesis on the Philosophy of History (very short, only 20 aphorisms).
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