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offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-19 02:09 [#00704829]
Points: 4605 Status: Regular



Hello all.

I'm doing an essay on Walter Benjamin at the moment, but
have am stuck on a French phrase he uses.

"citation á l'ordre du jour"

FreeTranslation gives me "quotation á the order of the day"
... but i need a bit more than that. Ie. i need better
grammar in english to understand what the point of the
phrase is!? Any comments with regards to this would be much
appreciated.

Oh and the Aphex Twins make some ok music :)


 

offline str_ph from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-19 02:17 [#00704837]
Points: 779 Status: Regular



Something like 'mentionned in the current topics of
discussion' in the context of a meeting.

Give me the complete sentence, I'll try my luck at a
freestyle translation.

-------------

life sucks - let's change the rules of the game


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-19 02:23 [#00704842]
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Hey cheers dude.

Sentence is:
"Each moment it has lived becomes a citation á l'ordre
du jour
- and that day is Judgement Day."


 

offline str_ph from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-19 02:35 [#00704855]
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OK in that context ( I like the way english speaking ppl use
french words in the wrong context - like 'c'est la vie' ) I
understand that he wants to emphasize the notion of
instant/urgency of life.


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-19 02:37 [#00704858]
Points: 4605 Status: Regular



Thanks so much for your help. Haha, its even more
complicated than that, because its an English translation of
what was originally a German Text :)

So ... every moment is like Judgement Day? (that would make
sense)


 

offline str_ph from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-19 02:45 [#00704873]
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What does the 'it" reffers to in your quote ? Looks like he
wants to say that ( every moment is like Judgement Day ).

I saw Matrix Reloaded this Week-end , the merovingian part
is hilarious - the guys curses like a drunken fench sailor.
Everybody did recognize Monica Belluci as the french doll -
the same Monica you can see in irreversible ( that was
discussed not so long ago on this forum ).


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-19 03:18 [#00704928]
Points: 4605 Status: Regular



it = mankind.

Thanks a bunch, that's well helpful. Haven't seen new Matrix
yet ...


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-05-19 03:49 [#00704945]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker | Followup to korben dallas: #00704928



I thought this guy wrote Marxist lit crit. You're doing
philosophy aren't you?


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-19 04:04 [#00704961]
Points: 4605 Status: Regular



haha .. yeah dude. I'm doing him for my 20th Century German
paper .. I'm doing an essay on his "Thesis on the Philosophy
of History". Brilliant (and short) piece of writing.

Benjamin is amazing (- bar the messianism). I might add he
was quite an unconventional Marxist ... but i totally rate
his notion of retroactive force something you Marxists
forget haha .. It also works quite nicely in light of
Post-modernism, and functions quite possibly as a critique
of the whole pomo scene ...


 

offline uzim on 2003-05-19 05:45 [#00705040]
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"citation à l'ordre du jour"?

hmm... i'd say maybe it's the quote that fits today, which
is about the subject discussed today...

but that is weird, i never heard "citation à l'ordre du
jour" - maybe he meant "sujet à l'ordre du jour" instead
(which means the subject being discusse/ having to be
discussed today)!


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-05-19 05:58 [#00705058]
Points: 4605 Status: Regular



"quote that fits today" fits perfectly ... ie. everyday is
(quote) "judgement" day

its quite an unusual notion of history, but a paper well
worth reading.

Walter Benjamin - Thesis on the Philosophy of History (very
short, only 20 aphorisms).


 


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