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I think in idm more than any other musical genre people pay attention to good music. based on that assumption i think this would make a nice thread, and the question is; What is it about music/sound itself...that is so strongly related to intelligence, and at the same time mathematics, and of course in early years of life, mental development? What i'd like to get out of this is everyones opinion, but also any links u might have to math-music/intelligence-music (psychology-music topic), maybe software that we can have a play with, and so on....appreciate it. |
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Music is the 'incarnation' of the Soul and All There Is. |
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No, I think what you just typed is utter rubbish. People listen to what they like...end of story. It was only called IDM because you couldn't dance to it, and if you can't dance to it you sit, and sitting is what intellectuals do more than people with lives. |
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"in idm more than any other musical genre" your a fascist. go and have spliff and hopefully you won't keep needing to explain things. |
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IDM didnt make me smarter :( ! |
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It made me dumberer. I now can't hold conversations with people either and spend more than two hours a day on the internet reading stupid comments about how intelligent people think they are for listening to stupid bleepy tunes. |
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word. |
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However..... i'm good at sitting ! |
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Then maybe you need to listen to more IDM, then you too can become one of the elite of the world. Suddenly you will find every possible branch of mathematics opening up to you because you undertand it unique complexity as it has been so cleverly been transformed into beats by a gang ofhigh school drop outs and social misfits. :D |
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wtf? lol. oh my fucking god. who the fuck even implied that idm makes people smarter? because i certainly didn't. who implied that people feel more intelligent for listening to idm? because i fucking didn't. because i was fuckin intelligent before i listened to that shit. if those of you who go all out first shot calling people fascists for putting intelligence in the same sentence as idm would have read my initial post properly you would have seen that all i fukcing wanted was a positive contribution towards figuring out how music works. and last time i checked, idm did stand for Intelligent Dance Music. so for some of the wanna-be intellectuals here who, as any good wanna-be intellectual does, feels the need to act like some fuckin god talking about how "there is no intelligence involved, its jst to dance to". well, if thats all u do to music, then u obviously dont get what music is about. |
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......I gotta piss |
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and dont worry, i do mean u ecnadniarb. phh, yea so basically i listen to idm because i want to feel elite, and ecnadniarb listens to idm because its so easy to dance to, right? get real fuckhead, we all listen to idm becauase its something different that makes you appreciate music more. |
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Maybe you should read other peoples posts as well...I said people like listening to what they like listening to. Music can create an emotional response which is what drives people to listen to it. And this bleepy music isn't called IDM, that was just a stupid label given to it by ignorant people, following on from the whole intelligent drum and bass scene etc. |
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"we all listen to idm becauase its something different that makes you appreciate music more" Is that the royal we? I personally used to listen to loads of different types of music because I liked listening to it, including the bleepy shit. How does this one genre make you appreciate music more? |
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because i too was one of those mainstream-mtv, top 10 lovers, til i got my hands on a björk cd, which got me listening to some more electronic stuff, finally aphex twin, autechre, boc, after a few months on pure experimental/ambient electronica, i started exploring other genres, and now because i have learned to appreciate music more, i listen to all kinds of shit i would have never done, like a lot of mediterranian style bands, "radio tarifa", then theres more acid jazz and trip hoppy type stuff like bonobo and quantic, and i would have never discovered all that great music if it wasnt for that sorry to use that term again but the IDM phase, so call it bleepy shit, whatever, i dont use the wors to make me feel smarter, ist a fuckin term, and its there to be used need anymore justification, or not happy ecna? |
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"so for some of the wanna-be intellectuals here" how the fuck can you use that in an attack at me? your the fool who just typed "that is so strongly related to intelligence, and at the same time mathematics, and of course in early years of life, mental development?" |
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well it's obvious how it's related to math I guess. You can measure, count, etc.. you can use chaos theory etc. math is just numbers obviously. but we seem to still not know much about the nature of our brains to help us answer why we like music. |
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ecna, i am an intellectual, not a wanna-be. the difference is easy, a real intellectual doesnt feel the need to debase every other persons opinion no matter how invalid in their view. the wanna-be on the other hand feeds their ego wanna-be self by doing exactly that |
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If you go down that route, everything that is quantitive is related to maths, so that means basically everything, which in turn means music is nothing special. Personally I think (and it is just a personal opinion) that sound interpretation is all about emotions. |
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No a real intellectual has no need in proclaiming themselves to be one. |
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wow, finally i get the response i needed, thank you ecna, thats all i wanted, see how easy that is. and when u think about it, yes thats right, music in the mathematical sense is nothing special, but i want more on peoples opinions about emotions tho. how can it be, when 10 people hear a certain track, a high percentage feel the same emotion, u get the same response, how much individual interpretation is actually going on? or is it a pre-perscribed emotion that is attached to a certain sound? |
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Totally agree. |
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yikes. threads like this frighten me. and make me run away with my tail between my legs. |
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hey donut, u visit www.overclockers.com.au much? |
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oh man, not to repeat myself, but i answer your very interesting question in great detail in this paper i wrote (click on the one in the top right) i quote varese, cage, telefon tel aviv, mark bell, etc... lemme know what you think! |
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It must have something to do with memory. That is why symmetry is interesting perhaps. Have you noticed that? Especially symmetry that is all weird and fucked up and toppled over, lopsided, top heavy etc... do you know what I mean? It makes your brain go, oh yeah I remember that, and that and that, whoh, I can't keep up, which is maybe why fast squarepusher beats are interesting. Of course there's more, uh, innate appeal such as human voice/lyrics I guess... I mean you can form actual ideas with words which is a whole other realm than mere pattern recognition. |
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y'all are so goddamn complacent it sickens me. |
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I tried to read your paper, but my computer detected malicious script and then the internet shut down. |
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What do you gain from the academic analysis of others work? |
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i routinely shut down the internet to amuse myself p.s. anyone who can't read the .doc file on the site, tell me and i'll convert it to .rtf or html for you. |
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personally i enjoy using my brain, it's "a kick" to understand and appreciate things. |
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i'm not complacent. i just can't be arsed to read your paper cos its in word format. |
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an understanding of the seperate parts of the others work? |
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fine, i'll make an html version and stick it on the site later |
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wicked! i'll read it now. your "SAWII/'music for 18 musicians' comparison" was decent, as i remember. |
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I can see how you might understand the theory in how the sounds are made, but I can't see how you can gain a better understanding of the music through reading about it. |
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you can read about what emotions/impulses caused the musicians to make it.. what more explanation could you want? |
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But reading someone elses anaysis of a peice of music I can tell what the composer was feeling at the time he wrote the peice? Sorry I don't beleive that for one minute. |
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Do you lot think that advances in technology have caused a great deal of hatred between us all? If only the simplest of music existed, for example Rodger Whitaker’s whistling style, a man hitting a drum randomly or silence, there would be less arguments and less ability for shit pop producers to make money by brainwashing kids to buy poor music like Blazing Squad. If computers did not exist and the concept of values and perceptions did not exist, people (or animals) could not produce music that could be objectively or subjectively analysed or evaluated by anyone or anything with the ability to do so. Hence there would be no need for this site to exist or the concept of dancing to exist, if people only dance to music that is. My friend purchases, Yes! Purchases Ronan Keaton records with money. Are my values, as determined by my cultural beliefs causing me to belittle Mr. Keaton without justification? Or am I justified because he is shit? Or is he really not shit, and I only perceive him as shit due to the values instilled by other artists I have appreciated more because I have been influenced via peer pressure or tainted my chemistry when listening to this music? If I had first took drugs at a Boyzone Concert, would I be Ronan Keaton's biggest fan? I hope not, I would have moved onto smack if that were the case. |
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read the paper i wrote and tell me if you get anything out of it. it's just a general description of the genre, i don't pretend to be explaining exactly what was going through a certain artist's mind as he wrote or recorded a piece. that's not the point. if you need the html version it should be up in a few minutes. |
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I read the wrong one but I didn't agree with what you had to say. |
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which one did you read and what didn't you agree with? some of it *i* probably don't agree with anymore; the only one i've read recently is the one i just wrote. |
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"But reading someone elses anaysis of a peice of music I can tell what the composer was feeling at the time he wrote the peice? Sorry I don't beleive that for one minute." my point was that you CAN read some things that give you a better understanding about where things are coming from. If you read about a band/musicians cultural background, personality(s) and all the other things that shape the music that they make, you have a far better chance at understanding what they are trying to communicate through their music... why they found it necessary to make it, in essence. |
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intelligent people say fuck? :o |
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hehe i thought 'ntelligent' people were all coprophiliacs ... |
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good response motherfucker. it's easy to destroy but not so easy to create. when you have some intelligent criticism get back to me. |
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Never. It's the first time I've looked at it, and I can't really figure out what it is. Anyway, if there's a guy called Donutman there, then it's not me. |
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I was actually hoping for a response to this comment cellon... |
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well, for me, good music gives me some kind of emotional response... if all that is in a song is all this technical wizardry, I don't want to listen to it... sure it might be interesting to hear a few times, but if there is no emotional connection with the music it just doesn't stand up for me... I listen to IDM, but I also listen to pure pop music... I enjoy both equally... I don't care how intelligent the composer was, what they know about math, blah blah blah... I don't care how intelligent the music sounds, I just care about how it affects me... |
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