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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2003-05-06 09:20 [#00686326]
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The USA is without doubt the bigggest agressor state. Surf to http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
or download the pdf on: http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-06 09:26 [#00686332]
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added to favourites, might examine later
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2003-05-06 09:26 [#00686333]
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The plans to attack Iracq again dated from 1997, the USA was just waiting for a new pearl harbor (11 september) to attack. It was a fact that Bush had the knowledge of the big possiblity for a terror attack to the USA. What about the fake proves of Powel for iracq a couple of months ago?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-06 09:28 [#00686334]
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yeah I've made that link between WTC and Pearl Harbor before; definately something fishy about that whole 9/11 situation.
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2003-05-06 09:30 [#00686336]
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This proves that the USA has killed their own people!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-06 09:32 [#00686337]
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shit, everyone knows it's killed its own! It ENJOYS is and has done for many many years!!
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teapot
from Paddington (Australia) on 2003-05-06 09:35 [#00686340]
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Americans are scary
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-06 09:38 [#00686342]
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the united states government had developed plans to invade afghanistan months before 9/11. however, bear in mind that the us military drafts all sorts of preparatory tactical strategies, including military invasion. perhaps most infamous were the plans to invade canada (this was years ago). there never was a real intent to invade canada, but nevertheless a military strategy was developed for that scenario. if you think there's something fishy about 9/11, read this:
click here
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cl=c1&cp1=1
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-05-06 09:40 [#00686344]
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we're doomed because of them... they are likely to be cause of all our deaths. Because they're brainwashed as a mass; brainwashed into Patriotism, brainwashed into viewing The President as some kind of minor deity, brainwashed into believing anything they're told. As a mass. I hope that the minority, who fight this, can somehow succeed. But I'm not quite as optimistic as I used to be... someone just needs to nuke Texas - it won't COMPLETELY solve the problem, but hell, it'll be a big help and it would lead to MANY celebrations throughout the world -- think of South Central LA the day THAT happens!! party mania!
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Donutman
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-05-06 09:54 [#00686356]
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Why not try www.znet.com or reading some Noam Chomsky
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2003-05-06 10:11 [#00686381]
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Hi plaidzebra, i saw you are from the USA. How do you feel the public opinion in the USA? I think it is difficult to get a clear opinion like you as an american. People must be brainwashed by the unilateral press.
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kalaim badkaama
from Apt 512 in Gilmour Orbiter (Re on 2003-05-06 10:24 [#00686401]
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adolph hitler said something like: if yu want yur people to forget them misery, give them a enemy (by accusing someone to be at the root of the land problems) whoever he is, and yu'l see them fight behind yu.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-06 10:28 [#00686411]
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yeah, you better not invade Canada... you wouldn't know what hit you if you tried!!! We have nuclear bombs just ready to be fired at washington!!!! :)
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 10:40 [#00686425]
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we are the only country that enjoys killing people...you all are innocent, of course...
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-06 10:50 [#00686436]
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yes, everyone here should read "manufacturing consent."
artemis, i'm not exactly sure i understand your questions. brainwashing might be too strong a word. the united states is a huge county, and despite the invasive consumer monoculture, there is a lot of variety.
if i had to simplify why i think many americans are turning a blind eye to the malignant agenda of their government, i think americans are taught to trust very deeply in the american form of government in public schools. questioning the government is seen as anti-american.
i think the united states government uses very sophisticated tools of manipulation, with the deceptive label "public relations."
the corporate media in the us is profit driven, and the government supplies a lot of valuable info to be sold, as in "operation iraqi freedom." the media are most interested in maintaining the status quo, despite embracing the occasional progressive cause.
most americans have been sealed off from the rest of the world for quite some time, and have a very distorted viewpoint. now, having been attacked, americans feel threatened and fearful, and nationalism surges. "god bless america" signs are everywhere.
americans look for a big brother to protect them from the bully. they naturally assume that the government's interests are their interests. they never learned about the secretive intelligence apparatus in school. they are not aware of the contempt that many of their leaders have for them. they let big brother take control of their lives. they relinquish their freedom.
it's important to remember, also, that these people have jobs, and homes, and children, and family that they want to protect. like most people, they want stability, coherence, and a little predictability. it's as hard for you to put yourself in their position as it is for them to put themselves in anyone else's position. please exercise compassion.
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2003-05-06 10:56 [#00686449]
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i hate living here. it's true...just about everyone is brainwashed
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-06 11:01 [#00686462]
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WOW....the anti-US government attitude is more prevalent on this board than anywhere else I have visited.
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2003-05-06 11:04 [#00686466]
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Catharsis, everybody outside the USA is against the US government. I live in Belgium and i don't know one single person who is not anti-US government
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-06 11:05 [#00686468]
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before you attack americans, or see them as scary, please try to exercise your compassion. you don't blame the passengers on a plane that's been hijacked, do you? unfortunately, americans have mistaken the hijackers for the rescue team.
where i live, there are many people who originated in scandinavia, and somalia, and viet nam, and mexico, and various african countries, and countries all over the world, and there are native american people, and they are all of them americans. don't judge them by the sins of their government, forgive them their complacency.
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 11:05 [#00686469]
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note the "just about", and not all americans. Though i do disagree with bush's policies (this is all their administrations fault), fighting fire with fire doesnt help anything.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-05-06 11:05 [#00686470]
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who told you to say that?
seriously, the best part of this country, is your ability to pack up and leave ANY time you want.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-06 11:12 [#00686484]
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I don't have a problems with Americans. They are partly a product of their environment, and their environment is run by a bunch of power hungry idiotic evil bastards in Washington. America is the scariest country on the planet (IMO).
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-06 11:14 [#00686493]
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you could argue that americans have been bribed with enormous wealth to turn a blind eye to the government's misbehavior.
blatant echo, who are you addressing? your comment reminds me of the old reactionary right wing bumper sticker: "America, love it or leave it!"
of course, why question the government on anything? obey or get out!
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 11:14 [#00686494]
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thats speaking from a canadians viewpoint...
j/k
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-06 11:20 [#00686508]
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ok catharsis, we're spending the weekend in liberia. don't forget your swimsuit!
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Donutman
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-05-06 11:21 [#00686511]
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Did you just basically say; "America. Love it or leave it." ?
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-06 11:28 [#00686520]
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sorry, blatant, i see now to whom your comment was addressed.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-05-06 11:55 [#00686571]
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*sigh*
you can go out and try and make things better, or complain about it............
it's fairly obvious what most people do.
nothings holding those complainers against there will
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-05-06 11:58 [#00686579]
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just like those people who complain about what garbage is on television.
you know what's kinda easy? turn it off....
do something about it, or turn it off you ass fucks. works the same with america, be proactive and try to changes things, or fuck off.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-06 12:36 [#00686632]
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"Shopping is more American than thinking"
Andy Warhol
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 13:23 [#00686700]
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dont point blame is my point,this is how history runs itself, the same countries make the same mistakes(US is the child of Britains original ideals, whether many people accept that or not), and if you do want to make a difference, FOR FUCKS SAKE ACT IT OUT! Dont sit there and say "Well, I did protest that one day...that should be enough"...for fucks sake I doubt any of you get off the couch...prolly listen to another's opinion and then base your own off that...so who really is being brainwashed?
answer:both sides
thank you.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-06 13:41 [#00686737]
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re: the article.
yep so what. i mean thats also what were being told to expect
not to say that its not true (cant with my knowledge) but its written very much like a piece of damning evidence. almost anti american propaganda
so i hope this article does not represent the majority view in america.
from the outset of the article it says 'we should be controlling the whole world rather than resting on our laurels', or words to that effect. could someone actually believe that?
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 13:47 [#00686748]
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propaganda...precisely...and always remember this
There is and never will be, good propaganda.
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 13:48 [#00686749]
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oops worded wrong....just no good propaganda!!!
gotta stop smoking...just makes me pissy..
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-06 13:48 [#00686750]
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i think youre right.
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handoverthecart
on 2003-05-06 14:27 [#00686795]
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i agree that everyone here is brainwashed. i see signs all over here that say "liberate iraq". i made a parody of it, but it will probably offend a lot of people... it can be seen
HREF="http://www.pclink.com/steven/dominate.gif">here. i think the original is at HREF="http://www.liberateiraqsign.com">this site. sorry if i offend anyone (because it will). is something wrong with the links here? when i say preview it never works.
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handoverthecart
on 2003-05-06 14:28 [#00686796]
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is there some "special way" of making links here? sometimes it works, but usually it doesn't.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-06 14:30 [#00686797]
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check the f.a.q.
i couldnt work it out til i looked There, of course :)
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handoverthecart
on 2003-05-06 14:36 [#00686802]
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oh i think its case-sensitive...
capital letters no capital letters
hmm thats funny...?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-06 14:37 [#00686807]
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wow
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-05-06 17:19 [#00687108]
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powel is a good man bush? i dunno but dont dis powel
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-06 18:54 [#00687181]
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Dont you usually get anal when ppl dis our country?
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-06 19:04 [#00687183]
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yeah, americans are REAL scary... like we are the ones in charge. sheesh.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-06 19:33 [#00687204]
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this nation's too big and complex to be run properly by one 56-year-old, inadequately-educated chimpanzee from a white building constructed in the late 18th century
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-05-06 19:33 [#00687205]
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why do you talk about americans like you arent one?
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-05-06 19:34 [#00687206]
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hell, alaska's big enough to be it's own nation (as well it should be IMO)
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-06 19:42 [#00687211]
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yeah, replace it with cuba so we dont even have to change the flag :|
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-06 19:45 [#00687213]
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gir: i was replying to a previous post by teapot.
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-05-06 19:49 [#00687214]
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fuck talk about brainwashed.... you are all just parrots.. and you have alot of hated you should get rid of... ...don't let jeliously run you're lives....
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2003-05-07 02:21 [#00687484]
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Powel is a good man? His proves about Iracq for the UN were fake.
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