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Being new to the list, I thought I would throw my first "group" question out there... How do people on this list feel about the way NI has been promoting themselves. Does anyone care? I am going to be updating to Reaktor 4 soon, and am curious if anyone cared that Jake Mandell initially claimed on the NI User's list the release would be free. Now NI claims it will be 20.00-80.00 bucks for the upgrade. Any similar incidents? |
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To be honest....I just download cracked versions and don't give a fuck about how they promote themselves. They make good stuff though. |
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Yah is true they make good stuff... I was lucky enough to get a copy of 2 off a friend and split a dongle upgrade. I probably would have gone the cracked route, but unfortunately never found a working dongle-buster for 3 :) |
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It is free - you'll be able to download the executable for v4. If you want the new ensembles and a manual you'll have to pay. More than reasonable, I think. |
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That makes more sense. |
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i love native instruments. at least their absynth. i downloaded a pirated version of reaktor 3 and couldn't make heads or tails of it. |
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Traktor DJ Studio 2 is my favourite toy! |
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Absynth is my favourite product by them. If I use it in a published track I'll get a legit copy... FM 7 is very nice if you're looking for that particular sound. Reaktor is a bitch to make decent synths (by that I mean different sounding and "good", rather than just "woo hoo, I made a synth"...), but the provided ensembles are great. For building my own synths I prefer Vaz Modular. I think some of their stuff (Battery for example) is a bit redunant and overpriced. I also think Kontakt could be improved a great deal. Traktor is fun and getting more professional with every release. I really will consider buying a copy of whatever the current version of Traktor is when I get an i-book (a few years off). |
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I think its easiest to make synths by using pieces of pre-made stuff (that's the purist in me talking). I have been dinking around with it for about 3 years now... and I still couldn't build a complex synth from the ground up to save my life(each to one's own of course). I've thought about checking out Traktor but I was kind of scared away by the MP3 limitation. Is that still the case or can you use other file-types now? |
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wtf? the upgrade to 4.0 will COST MONEY? I'm right fucked off now, i was pretty chuffed that it was going to be free but fuck that, i haven't got the cash and get exactly what i like out of reaktor right now. The upgrade would have been brilliant value-for-money for free though. Thats pretty fucking shoddy. |
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I like Reaktor, it's a great learning tool. It's not too limiting and it's not too hard. I'm currently trying to figure out how to make some sort of wavesequencing device by connecting the sequencer to the sampler... All Reaktor needs is for the individual modules to sound a bit better or that you could choose between different versions of the same module. I think Absynth sounds really good when it's making swirly evolving sounds but for basses and leadsounds I'd pick something else. |
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ok, just saw N-GON'S post, checked NI site, rage over, red mist receding, vein in temple going back down. |
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"All Reaktor needs is for the individual modules to sound a bit better or that you could choose between different versions of the same module" what do you mean? |
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"what do you mean?" that for example the oscillators could sound more like the ones in a moog or arp or prophet or.... That would be nice IMO |
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Its fun to make a sequencer value control sample selection. For instance the sequencer value 1 = sample selection 60, 2=61, 3=62. On a 16 step sequencer you can make each step a different sample value. It can get Otto-Vonny real quick. Its also neat in R3; using the same technique double click on the sample window. It will bring up sample options such as reversing samples, turning oscillator function on and off as well as looping, unlooping. It adds tons of variation. Make any sense? |
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"that for example the oscillators could sound more like the ones in a moog or arp or prophet or.... That would be nice IMO " yeah but that would totally spoil the paradigm of the basic modules - you've got macros and instruments in which you could MAKE an arp or moog (easier) osc, make a panel for it or just have it as a module which you could plug into something bigger. who's otto-vonny? defpoint, make a decimal to binary converter as a macro, then feed it knob value and have it spit them out as drum sequences - sounds fucking mad! |
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(oh yeah and sequence different samples on each hit like you said aswell) |
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not a huge fan of softsynths but all the NI stuff, especially vokator + absynth |
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i mean except the NI stuff, it's quality |
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top quality stuff. I am saving lots of money this summer to buy (yes I said BUY) software, and besides Digital Performer 4 as my sequencer, all my software will be NI. Absynth, FM7, Pro53, Battery, Kontakt, and Reaktor. |
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"yeah but that would totally spoil the paradigm of the basic modules - you've got macros and instruments in which you could MAKE an arp or moog (easier) osc, make a panel for it or just have it as a module which you could plug into something bigger." Reaktor doesn't go low level enough to make one. You can't just make those anti-aliased BLIT oscillators for instance, they have to be programmed at a low level to have a good performance I think... |
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I'd give battery and kontakt a miss, or at least try them first... Any progress with learning C sound? |
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really? Ive heard nothing but great things about Kontakt... and battery... well, I need a virtual drum machine... do you reccomend a different one (I will NOT use reason) The csound learning was put on hold... due the the insane amount of work Ive had this semester (including a concert that I wrote 2 of the songs for and collaboratted with someone else on... a 6 piece ensemble, with guitar, bass, strings, laptops, and synthesizers... not to spam, but if you really care... info and pics are on my site). But I am taking my schools csound class this summer (just this class, and a piano class), while I work full time. So this will be the summer of csound! :) |
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you tried supercollider yet zeus? |
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"anti-aliased BLIT" i don't know what BLIT is but i have never heard oscillator aliasing in reaktor. |
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"anti-aliased BLIT" i don't know what BLIT is but i have never heard oscillator aliasing in reaktor. |
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"Reaktor doesn't go low level enough to make one. You can't just make those anti-aliased BLIT oscillators for instance, they have to be programmed at a low level to have a good performance I think... " It would be cool to be able to write your own modules in C. Steve: Otto vonny is Otto von Schirach. He's on Schematic along with Richard Devine et al. |
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Steve mcqueen, Otto Vonny=Otto Von Schirach (Schematic Records) I am curious on the decimal to binary converter... Not making sense... Let me expound... Decimal to Binary makes decimal number into midi note(binary)? Drum sample is on midi note x that gets triggered by knob twist... I feel like I am missing something here... further info? Sounds cool. |
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Do you work for NI US? |
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defpoint, eg. 17 (in decimal) is 10001000 in binary which, if you look at it like a step sequencer on a drum machine, playing as a kick drum, would be 4 to the floor, yeah? just to dec->bin conversion on knob values(or values from tables which is where it really gets spicy!) and you can make absolutely crazy drum patterns really easily - especially when, like you said, different samples from a sample bank are sequenced for each step... hope you made sense of this. |
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plus the cool side of this, if youve never thought about it before, is that you make patterns out of phone numbers, birthdates anything numerical, loads of applications. |
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Two questions.... I understand how binary works and the represenations of numbers with 1s and 0s... (even know how to make a binary number out of a whole number with a pad and pencil) what I am curious about is how to write a conversion Macro for such a thing in Reaktor. Any hints on the structure? I know that you would start by taking a dial and having its output divided by two. If there is a remainder the value of the resulting number would be one, if there is no remainder the number is 0. My problem is figuring out how to get a macro that will take all that information (which I am still not sure how to equate) and turn it into a trigger. Do gates respond to 0 and 1 values? Do you have one built that I could see? Sorry for the slow responses. I am a 9-5r, but I am quite interested in getting something like this to work in Max or Reaktor. |
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they posted a picture of me on their website where I was standing over richard devine as he was doing some shit on traktor...I think it was at the alive festival in Belgium...dunno if this counts as my fifteen minutes of fame but oh well it was a good picture of me anyhow. But don't tell anyone --I have all their shit pirated -- tee hee!... *sirens heard in the distance* ---Uh oh '5-0' '5-0' |
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If you want to try a free ware Reaktor-type app then try Synth Edit. It basically does the same thing as Reaktor, but its free + you can save your creations as individual .dll´s - allows you to load them as indiviual soft synths or effects into your favorite sequencer. They also have a clone of the Casio phase-dist oscilllator, sounds so fucking cool with a ring mod and some tweaking... I love this program! www. http://www.synthedit.com/ |
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defpoint: "dial and having its output divided by two. If there is a remainder the value of the resulting number would be one, if there is no remainder the number is 0" yes you got it! i did it with 8 daisychained modulo modules, with their 'div' outputs going to each of the 8 bit outputs, and their 'mod' outputs going to the next modulo counter. to put it into a sequencer i used a select16 module with the 8x2 inputs fed by two of the dec->bin macros, the pos input of the select16 is a counter driven by the sequencer clock - so it cycles through the binary number(s) on its 16 inputs and outputs 1 or 0 on an event out. This can then be used on a gate input on something like a sample module. this at least is one way of doing it, probably not the best/easiest though. |
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"If there is a remainder " actually, it would be, if the number (128, 64, 32 etc.) goes into the input (knob) value once, then the resulting bit is a 1. The remainder is past on through the modulo modules. |
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I think its the other way around. If the result goes in evenly there a 0 is passed on. If the result has a remainder the value is 1. Anyway... jeez... Thanks for the tips. I am going to give it a whirl. I guess another way to do it would be to subtract powers of two from the decimal... and it gets fuzzy from there. Too many decisions to render. I don't really know how you would do that with Reaktor math stuff. I think I am going to try it your way. Thanks again for the tips. |
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oh go on then, do you want me to send you my macros? |
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zeus: just get reaktor first, you can do worlds with that and a midi seq. You don't NEED battery, kontakt, fm7 etc if you have Reaktor although they may be nice. I use only reaktor and a couple outboard synths. |
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yes... however... I dont want to have to sit around and make every sound I make when I go to write something... I like to throw down ideas. additionally... Reaktor isnt a sampler is it? I need sample playback for real instruments etc. |
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By all means if you want to send me some Macros I wouldn't complain!! You can try emailing them to jch@dr.com. I think that I can only get like 3-4 MB at a time though on that acct. I am going to try and see how far I get tonight... I will try and find something worth trading ... Cheers |
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