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"If our freedoms crumble exactly when they are needed most, then they were really never freedoms at all." http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/050403A.shtml |
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That's just terrible. The USA Patriot Act is garbage. The site should offer some proactive links where we can contact the appropriate officials to voice our opinions. |
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I was reading various sections of the act (can't remember what site it was on). One section states that ANY crime can be considered a terrorist act. You will be delt with accordingly. Welcome to the New World Order, folks! |
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it would seem that most americans are living in denial (or simply ignorance) about what their government is doing. most people don't even seem to know about the massive, secret intelligence apparatus. here is a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg in our current administration's deceptions: |
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plaid, you have to realize that most of our country is uneducated on matters such as these, and are quite "sheepish." We are all pawns :( |
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we were provided with some rather shocking statistics on various matters to do with the U.S. in my international politics class (this was a good two years ago), and one of them placed the states in rank among so-called "third world" nations in as far as the percentage of the population which is illiterate. in an attempt to answer the following question: "George, are you able to read and write on an adult level?" Michael Moore writes: "The first clue was what you named your favourite childhood book. 'The Very Hungry Caterpillar,' you said. Unfortunately, that book wasn't even published until a year after you graduated from college". |
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can anyone explain why the link i posted doesn't work? i followed the format very carefully, twice now, and instead of an active link i get an inactive "click here." what am i doing wrong? |
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but for the political and financial elites in the U.S., it makes perfect sense not to devote all too much of the federal budget to education, because if a larger percentage of americans were better educated, they would begin to question the actions of the officials and the government which presides over them. republican "gooddoers" and opportunistic yuppie democrats would thus find themselves not only out of their jobs, but also out of the position of power and influence (not to mention control over the masses). and that would be only a step away from the system of capitalistic slavery crumbling to pieces. and no sensible capitalist or a "passionate" conservative would want this to happen. |
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we'll see if this works: |
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email me the format you are using and ill tell you whats going wrong |
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oh yeah, plaidzebra, i'm curious what you may have to say on this topic i posted a few days ago. you seem quite well versed in subjects of spirituality, philosophy, religion, metaphysics, etc. so i'd assume you'd have something to say regarding this. surprisingly, it didn't stir all too much interest among other users on the messageboard: |
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the american corporate "free" press is a for profit enterprise, which means that increasingly, the news is tailored to provide what the public is willing to purchase, what the public wants to hear. at the same time, the largest source of popular news content is the united states government itself. you can't expect major, for profit news organizations to attack the primary source of their most popular stories. this msnbc story was an internet exclusive, and though it may appear in newsweek, it is a small lip-service speck compared to the deluge of pro-government programming that has saturated mainstream news outlets, especially since 9/11, and even more so during "operation iraqi freedom." i'm aware that many americans are uneducated in this regard, as i stated they are living in denial or ignorance, and dependent on profit/status quo serving pseudonews. most importantly, we need to get people (not just americans, this challenge to freedom will eventually affect us all) talking about it, like pomme de terre implied we need to encourage people to speak out, to contact their representatives. it seems reasonable to start with forward thinking people, like many people on this board. then, the more people realize what is being hidden, the more they will demand to know the truth. |
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so how do we fight it? action action action action action |
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in the other thread you had copied just what was put in the example ("myurl.com/blahblah"). that won't do. replace those parts with your own url and copy/paste the WHOLE thing. |
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it does seem that an uneducated, nationalistic populace is in the right wing's best interests, just train people to accuse anyone who questions the right wing agenda as being a "lefty loony" (as one individual on this mb said, though he hailed from the 51st state) or even "communist." it's weird how much nationalism there is, but at the same time, how much resentment americans have for each other. a brief anecdote: when i worked for the us census in 2000, i went door to door to get people who hadn't sent their forms in to participate. at one particularly wealthy home, i was treated to an angry lecture about how it wasn't fair that they should be expected to take 30 minutes (this was one of the long forms, 6 out of 7 homes had the short form, which took a couple minutes) *every 10 years* to participate in the constitutionally-mandated census because *their taxes were too high*. incidentally, the us has the lowest taxes of any western country. americans are so desperately afraid that someone will steal a crumb from their plate, when the wealth that surrounds them is staggering. |
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it really does seem as though history is going in circles all that much faster than ever before. americans seem to relish in finding a target over which they can obsess as a threat to their "national security". witness the mccarthy communist witchhunts, and now, a virtual repetition of the sort of mass paranoia which accompanied that era, save for the fact that now instead of two separate agencies dealing with intelligence (FBI & CIA), a third one has come into play: the homeland security department. and as if that was not enough, all "evildoers" and (defined as broadly as possible to include any person, organization or nation not conductive to the national interest of the u.s.) "terrorists" abroad must be brought to "justice" by all means necessary. marx wisely remarked, elaborating on haegel's view of history, that indeed, history does repeat itself, but whereas originally it occurs as a tragedy, the second time around it comes to us as farce. and this is one fucked up monthy python episode indeed! |
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manticore, thank you for the compliment at that thread. i think i felt i might be becoming too strident or insistent in my posts, i did not want to alienate anyone or communicate any disrespect for individual's ideas about reality and the self. there was a little backlash that suggested some people felt "talked down to." i also felt that i may have been repeating myself, especially since i have tried very hard to communicate what i believe is very important and useful in as simple and straightforward manner with as little distortion as possible. i would seek to make each of you my teacher, and yet compassion means a willingness to accept each individual's choice without judgement. i will respond to the other thread in brief. |
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qrter, haha, i just used an old thread as a test after my link failed twice. i know i just copied the example! i was hoping the old thread would just sink to the bottom and no one would notice the obviously copied example. pomme can attest that i did use the correct format. |
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plaid: ignore the ignorant is the best advice i can offer. i am quite used to receiving a lot of negative attitudes towards my person for the fact of being quite outspoken on a great number of topics which stir my interests. the mistake a lot of naysayers make is to assume that simply because someone has an strong opinion on a particular subject, they are by virtue trying to force their viewpoints upon others. in my case, i simply enjoy the exchange of ideas - and if it takes my stating something controversial, regardless of whether or not i personally adhere to it, in order to get people to voice their own thoughts on an issue, so be it. those with little to say, for a general lack of intest in the world outside the self will always try to belittle those who have a broader curiosity for knowledge then themselves. the isolationist stance of conservative america is perhaps the best example of such an attitude. |
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i just read that article in my mailbox yesterday. it's horrible what's going on and it's horrible the way it is being accepted. |
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can anyone remember a time when they were not ignorant in some respect? i do try to use "ignorant" in the non-judgemental sense (though i suppose to some it's automatically perjorative). the key is not persuasion or argument in political or governmental matters, but the promotion of the awareness of the essential validity of each individual. sometimes the best strategy to communicate this is to remain silent. in the political spectrum, my concern is with the numerous people who would say, "why would the government lie to americans?" not realizing the depth of deception which has already occurred. the opposite and equally dangerous reaction is to become jaded and say, "the government always lied, lies and will lie, so don't bother trying to do anything about it." the situation is extraordinarily complex, and to claim to understand it all would be dishonest. so i don't mean to say that i hold back to shield myself from criticism, but rather to be more selective about how and when i put forth certain ideas. it is nice, though, when someone says "thank you for your input, that was very interesting" instead of "fuck off, you know it all left wing new age christ-crutch tree hugger!" : ) |
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