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I agree- I was good beacue of the suspense as we weren't flly aware of what it was capable of. The second was great as it built on that, but did a different sort of horror film, what I'd class as a "zombie film"- they're not that hard to kill (because the humans are so much better equipped), but there are so many of them and they're relentless, it creates a more helpless sense of horror. The third one tried to go back to the format of the first one, but didn't pull it off IMO. The Fourth one was an utter sham. |
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Not sham but farce. It's a blast if you approach it with the same attitude you'd take to a Peter Jackson joint like Dead Alive, or the first Return of the Living Dead film. |
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Shit I forgot all about the AVP game. Scared the shit out of me! (as a marine of course). As soon as facegrabbers started appearing I just left the game alone, no need to try and prove anything! |
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DJ Xammax, Yeah I agree. Its the kinda game you do want to leave alone because its so good at being scary. One comes off after playing it with practically a white face! |
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i liked all the alien movies. i used to be into the novels too. |
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the only people that even pretend to like this movie are david fincher fans. now that guy is overrated. |
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ok...lets see LOVED - Alien LOVED - Alien 2 LIKED a lot - Alien 3 HATED Alien 4 Resurrection? right......anyway thing is they made the monster likable (the way he looked at ripley before his brains were sucked out was truly like a lil child......i shed a tear for the lil bugger when he was killed) i'm semi-anxious for the next Alien, if they really make it.......it was such an original movie!!! |
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that the studio interfered with Fincher's ideas so much that in the end he disowned the film. The forthcoming nine disc Alien box set will hopefully feature a Director's Cut of this movie which will reinstate it to it's creator's original vision. Personally I think the movies go in order of quality. The first one might be slow but it's far more accomplished than Aliens, which is just too gung-ho (and the extended version goes on forever). |
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From IMDB: "First-time director David Fincher disowned the film, citing constant studio interference and actually walked out of production before editing began." |
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Check this out.... this is never all gonna fit into one post ;) Alien 3 was heavily edited before its theatrical release. The following list includes most of the allegedly deleted scenes, a lot of which would have fleshed out the characters and themes much more satisfactorily if they had been left in: just before the autopsy, there is a scene with Clemens, Ripley, and Prisoner Kevin walking down the spiral stairs into the morgue where Clemens questions Ripley about her need to acertain Newt's death and also asks her if Newt was her daughter; just before Ripley enters the mess Hall with her newly shaved head after the funeral, there is an interesting little scene that builds character development. It concerns Prisoners Boggs and Rains and their complaints to Dillon about Prisoner Golic being crazy, how Golic smells bad, and how they don't want to go into the tunnels to work with him. Dillon adamantly tells them they must do their job and have no choice; in the scene where Ripley asks Clemens if he is attracted to her and he tells her she is very direct, Ripley's reply of "I've been out here a long time" was not originally included; in the scene where prisoner Murphy becomes the alien's first victim in the vent shaft, he is singing a different tune than that heard in the theatrical version; right after the scene where Ripley finds the flight recorder on the EEV, there is a scene where Dillon sees Boggs, Rains, and Golic, off on their excursion into the tunnels (where we first see them together theatrically) in which Dillon asks them to light a candle for the dead prisoner Murphy (the first victim in the vent shaft); the scene where Warden Andrews and Clemens meet to discuss Ripley is longer, with Clemens telling Andrews that Ripley was part of a combat team that came to grief, Andrews insinuating that something is going on between Clemens and Ripley, and Andrews telling Clemens to get the hell out; during Ripley's conversation with the reconnected Bishop, there are intercut scenes of a crazed and |
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The only game I've every actually stopped playing (admittedley only temporarily)due to being scared. Fleetmouse: I suppose you're right about Aliens 4. If it hadn't been part of the series I would of been a lot more forgiuving. As it was, I approached it with the mindset of the others and expected a similair type of film. |
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bloody Golic being found in the mess hall by Eric, the cook, who panics and drops the dishes, and how Golic is grabbed by the others (Clemens, 85, Andrews, and Dillon) and dragged to the infirmary; in the scene in the infirmary where Clemens and Ripley are talking, a tied up Golic interrupts with a few lines about how in an insane world, an insane man must appear to be sane, Clemens sarcastically thanks him; after the Alien kills Clemens and Ripley runs out of the infirmary, there is a close-up of Golic's face admiring the alien and he repeats "Magnificent"; after Warden Andrews death, when the prisoners are deciding what to do, when Morse says they should take Ripley's head and "bash it through the F***ing wall," Ripley replies "That sounds good to me..."; when the explosions in the tunnels occur, there is an approximate 10 minute chunk of the film that was deleted. It begins with added shots of the prisoners being consumed by the fire as Ripley and Dillon hurry to get them to safety. One of the prisoners is hurt badly and Ripley is trying to help him. His friend Junior (the guy with the tear tatoo who initially attacks Ripley in the attempted rape scene) looks at Ripley (there is almost a look of reconciliation) and when Dillon arrives, he asks Junior to turn the sprinklers on. Junior runs for the sprinklers but another prisoner yells to Junior to look out behind him. When Junior turns, the alien crawls down from the ceiling as the others (including Ripley and Dillon try to lure it away. Issuing a cry of challenge, Junior runs into the Toxic Waste room, causing the alien to run in after him and sacrificing his life, as Ripley and Dillon lock the doors and the sounds of the alien killing him are heard outside. Dillon turns on the sprinklers and next there is a scene where Dillon is leading a prayer for those who sacrificed themselves and died. As Ripley and 85 look in from above they discuss religion, as well as 85 saying that the company will arrive to kill the trapped alien with smart guns. Ripley |
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Ripley asks him what if they won't kill it, and he doesn't believe this. Then there is a scene in the infirmary with Golic pleading with Morse to untie him while Morse is shaving his own head. Morse reluctantly unties him and after Golic asks him, tells him where the alien is trapped. Golic knocks him out and hurries out of the room. Next, there is a scene where 85 and Ripley are sending a transmission to the company about the trapped xenomorph and Ripley, testing the company's intentions, requests permission to terminate the alien. The company quickly replies they are not to do anything against the alien, confirming Ripley's suspicions. Then Golic arrives at the Toxic waste dump and tells the prisoner guarding the door he must talk to the creature. The prisoner shrugs him off and suddenly Golic slits his throat and opens the door, telling the alien he'll do anything he wants. Golic's screams as the alien attacks. Ripley then tells Dillon about the company's plans to keep the alien alive and Dillon says he doesn't care. Ripley insists that innocent people will die and Dillon tells him that the world outside does not exist for them. Morse rushes in and tells them he has bad news. The three of them, along with 85 go to the dump where 85 blames Morse for the insane Golic's actions. when Ripley complains of feeling ill after they find the dead prisoners by the toxic waste dump, there is an added line when she leaves that Dillon says "Where did she go?"; when Ripley fights with Dillon after he refuses to kill her, there is an added line where Dillon says "Go kill yourself"; during the scene where the remaining prisoners are meeting to discuss Dillon and Ripley's plan to terminate the alien, there are expanded dialogue scenes concerning Dillon telling them they have a choice to get even with the creature for its destroying the others, Ripley questioning 85's statements that the rescue team is on its way (Ripley says "Rescue team for whom?"), Dillong emphasizing this task of being part of the "steps |
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to heaven", etc.; during the tunnel chase sequence, there are numerous additions including a scene where Ripley asks what the prisoners are doing (when two of them guarding the piston run off) and Dillon says "Improvising," shots of Dillon walking through corridors and finding bodies (Troy) as well as Ripley finding bodies (Eric) and verbally identifying them, Jude slipping and falling and cutting himself with the scissors he was holding, 85 silently meditating with his head bowed down as he awaits the company people; when the company reps arrive, it is extended as the asian rep asks 85 if he's seen the beast, and 85 says yes and that Ripley has one inside her. Bishop II replies, "We know that." And when 85 sees the cage he tells them "Your gonna need a bigger cage"; when Ripley is trying to lure the alien back into the piston, she keeps telling it to kill her; right before Ripley pulls the chains to shower the burning hot alien with water, she says, "For the Last time." Also, there is no voice-over of Morse telling her to douse the creature with water (probably added in looping to better explain what was happening to the audience); there is more dialogue when Bishop II confronts Ripley as he refers to the malignancy inside her and the great courage she has shown. There is also an added scene where the asian medic explains the procedure to remove the alien from Ripley, saying it will be quick (two-hours) and she'll be fine. When Bishop II asks Ripley to trust him and she must choose, the scene is more drawn out, and you can see Ripley agonizing more over the decision she must make (definitely more dramatic); when Ripley tells Morse to help her and he asks "what do you want me to do?" She replies, "You'll know..."; one added scene that eliminates controversy, is when 85 hits Bishop II and is killed, there is an additional moment which Bishop II can be seen in pain and he shouts "I'm not a droid!!"; when Ripley falls into the molten lead, there is no shot of the chestburster emerging from |
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emerging from her body; after Ripley falls, Morse crawls over to look out into the molten pit; the last scenes are arranged a little differently with the video screen facility closed shot coming before the shot of the empty cryotubes and Ripley's transmission being heard. Fuck, maybe I should just have posted the fucking link! |
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Wouldn´t ya love to see a "alien lifecyle" documentry done by David Attenborough shown on bbc2? (excluding any alien4 bullshit of course)... imagine... "here we are, on LV427, about to get a glimpse of the ineer workings of a quite unique hive mind".... FUCK ME! |
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Yeah, that'd be excellent, or a Steve Irwin one... "I'll just go up and look at the queen... oh no I think her guards have spotted me... I'll just back away slowly" *Irwin is evicerated by 20 drones...* |
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AlbertoBalsalm i totaly agree 3 was tight |
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another steve irwin one: "here we see the extraordinary alien chestbuster. *takes it up by it's tail* , this little bugger is a feisty one indeed, look how it tries to bite me throat off with it's sharp, deadly alien-teeth, what an magnificent defense mechanism. now watch as i jam my finger up it's butthole!" |
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or Rolf Harris "ARRRRGHHHHGHHHHHH...............*schlllchhh" |
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I'm definitely not gonna buy that DVD box-set again. Bah, it fucking sux when they release 20 different versions of the same film. Get it right the first time damnit. |
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the best part of alien 3 is when charles s. dutton is giving the eulogy for the dead newt and hicks. his dialogue simultaneously works as narration for dog birthing alien scene which it cuts back and forth to. "every seed brings the promise of new life" great movie. |
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Wow, so does anyone know if that alien 3 directors cut ever came out? I'm shitting my pants to see it. seriously, i just read through jarworski's lengthy post and started having conniptions. i wanna see it! |
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Wait for the Alien Quadrology DVD Boxset! |
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giginger, do you know where i can read some info on this 9 disc alien feast? i had not heard of it till now. i am itching with excitement. |
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fucking shit effects, borring ending, no class, it drraws an end to something it did not crreate. i hate it. some of the settings rrule. |
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yay |
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yeah, these are the common things people dislike about a3. most people tend to like the general look of the film though, aside from the shitty creature effects. good gawd when does that directors cut come out? |
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here is something i found about the 9 disc alien box set: though it is just some other dude's post on some other message board he mentions some interesting things, one being that Alien 3 will not be a "director's cut" ALIEN 9 DVDs Box Set details!: The May edition of Empire magazine has a 2 page article on the upcoming ALIEN Box set. Fox has supposedly supplied Empire with a "set of very early specifications" to provide an exclusive glimpse of the "probable general direction" in which the set is going. Now the article is way too long to reproduce here but i'll pick out some of the interesting points. There will be new cuts of Alien, ALIEN 3 and ALIEN: RESURRECTION. These will include deleted material that will be seamlessly branched into the existing films. ALIENS will include the theatrical and extended special edition. ALIEN 3 will have the so-called "Extended Work Print" (David Fincher won't allow Fox to call it a director's cut!) which will incorporate much of the vast amount of deleted footage excised from the radically cut theatrical version, perhaps generating a near doubled running time and a vastly different film. All four directors look set to provide commentaries along with production crew members. Each film will also bear cast commentaries. The supplementary discs will contain approximately four hours of material on each disc including 6-8 featurettes, deleted scenes, documentaries, multi-angle scene studies, full screenplays, trailers, art galleries and DVD-ROM material. The 9th disc will house the 68 minute Alien Legacy documentary and the 75 minute Alien Evolution documentary. The 9th disc will also contain material on the Aliens comic book series. The article mentions nothing about sound formats but states the set is due for a Region 1 release in September and an early 2004 UK release! |
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K, so I'll just have to buy the right version of Alien3 then. I Hope it'll sell separate. |
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