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I'm pretty sure that when your extremely young up till about your teens is when you learn the most in your entire life, correct? So I was thinking, if we started teaching kids advanced stuff when they are little instead of this abc bullshit wouldn't the next generation most likely be more intelligent? Think about it, if i started skating when i was like 5 and kept at it, by now I'd be trampin' on tony hawk. Or if you taught a little kid nuclear physics or something of the sort imagine with his rapid growth of knowledge and imagintation what he'd come to in his adolocents? Hmmmmmmm..... ( i think they're alot of spelling errors there, i typed this fast. hmmm maybe i should have studied more english when i was little heh) |
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during the renaissance and up through the 1800s royalty and rich people had their children tutored to learn multiple languages, math, etc. at a much more advanced rate than we do now |
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Well yes and no. Check out Piaget's stages of cognitive development... there are some disciplines that require a degree of abstract thinking that you don't have until you reach a certain age. It varies from individual to individual. Multiple languages are best learned young though, for sure. Math is best taught as it always has been, through pain. |
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I don't think the cirriculum is varied enough for different childrens needs. I never learned anything until highschool. |
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agreed. |
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I'm not really learning anything right now and I'm a senoir in high school, I did take some interesting classes such as Philosophy and Pyschology but as far as physics, math, global studies I can't say I really absorbed much. =[ In college though I feel like im going to be alot more attentive and interested so we'll see how that goes. Anyway... I wish I started doing certain things when i was really little. Such as gymnastics, guitar, read more books etc.... instead of playing so much sega heh. I'm trying to make the most out of my life now though, 18, not too late to start! |
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i think the last thing a 7 year old wants to do is sit down and learn about astrophysics tho |
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He wouldn't really know any better if it's what they taught in school or their parents made them. They'd just accept it just as accept everything else if we don't know any better |
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yeah good point, they'd have to be strictly discaplined tho, cos all kids ever pay attention to is there action figures and videogames etc |
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idd,like with the skateboarding, thatshould normally be alot more inviting to a kid than sitting in your schooldesk working your way through 1200 pages of math/physics dullness. |
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Math problems give me hernias. I'd rather write a 15 page thesis on everything than work on algebra homework for half an hour. I never made it out of Math II in highschool.. I ask you, am I crippled? |
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ah yes, lets turn up the pressure on kids even more. maybe you can then choose your whole lifepath when you are 10. that would be economic. really, jesus, let kids be kids. its okay not to learn advanced mathematics when you're 6. also, who's going to teach them? there is a huge shortage of teachers as it is now, let alone teachers for new complicated subjects. and no, you can't just use college professors or something, as teaching a group of 20-year-olds is something wholly different than teaching young kids. |
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maybe test kids iq's or whatever, then any 'gifted' kids can be locked away and not allowed to play until they get another degree |
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I'm not saying it SHOULD be done. I'm just saying , hmm , well maybe, ok let me put it like this. Imagine if you can go back intime and relive those years and started studying those things and started skating etc, imagine what'd you turn out to be now? It's a cool concept. Just thinking outloud...... |
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I probably would be even more stunted in my social skills than I am now. |
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i wish i could go back and learn cool shit deffinately, i'd be a fucking lightning guitarist/pianist/skateboarder/breakdancer ^_^ |
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Kids just need serious drive and so do adults. The rest is bullshit. |
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kids should be allowed to be kids. it seems society wants them to be mini-adults as quickly as possible. sad. much more important than learning hardcore knowledge is learning to use your imagination as a kid, , molding it. |
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too true |
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Yes. Education, carrers all that is just a form of government control on society. Let kids have fun and be worry free. It's the only time they'll really be able to . |
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teaching children advanced stuff is what they used to do BEFORE Piaget. What fleetmouse said was right, children need to develop before they can understand advanced stuff. my mum's got a degree in Children Studies (no that doesnt mean she's a certified paedophile), and she found that the current age of starting formal schooling (5yrs old in the UK) is too low, and children are not yet developed enough to understand school. This is why the education system is failing for some children, especially the young children (i.e. born in August or July). basically, the whole education system should be held back a couple of years, and it should be spread out over more time so that people can develop rather than being forced to learn so much, in so little time. |
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ah yes, Phvkkage. I forgot to say about the last track you did, um.. "magicfun" - I liked it. raw and cranky. |
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in the human rights act there's a line that states that children MUST be allowed to play :D and i agree about education+careers. You know we've had that "meaning of life?" thread going around? well at the moment, im in school and my personal meaning of life is 'to get good qualifications and get a good job', because that's whats expected of me. Its very strange :-/ |
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Dear Qrter, I cannot take credit for this piece of fine art, as Sir Flappypants is the one created it. |
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my young, vibrant friend, I tip my velvet green hat to the small and quivering Sir Flappypants. Flappypants, I salute thee! |
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Yes everything is a conspiracy. Yawn. |
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Find (On This Page).... "conspiracy" only place i found it was in ur post. |
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oh no, just read your other post. [In case you cant remember it, it said "Kids just need serious drive and so do adults. The rest is bullshit."] now i realise that your totally ignorant, so i dunno, maybe u didnt read the posts at all. |
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mylittlesister, Go on then explain yourself. |
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mylittlesister, Why I am ignorant oh wise one? Go on lets hear your pearls of wisdom. |
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you'll like the ultimate functionalist... thinking everything is this way because that's how it should be! you dont listen to ANYONE else, not even geniuses like Piaget. THATS why ur ignorant. ur ignorance is unbelieveable, its as if ur above everyone elses thinking and cant be brought down to "their" level! "Kids just need serious drive and so do adults. The rest is bullshit." that says it all really.... the rest is bullshit! |
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this phvkkage stuff is quite a trip. when I was a little sprout, I was one of those "gifted kids" that they stuff all hodgepodge into isolated programs that were supposed to make the most of our potential... as a result I hated every single year of my life in public school except for one or two. I graduated when I was sixteen though... so maybe some good came from it all |
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mylittlesister, So you don't believe kids need drive and focus? Certainly adults do, I think its not so important in kids. But yeah once a child reaches about 14 or so it should start to develop some drive and focus in life. I mean are serious, are you're joking right in suggested that kids should just drift around like bums? I see the kids around where I live and they are completely lacking in focus. Thats why they prefer to make a menace of themselves and fuck things up with vadalism and creating ill feeling towards others. Now do you see my point, yes? |
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I hate the basis of our society and this world. I hate it, simply hate it. |
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i was focusing on the "The rest is bullshit." part of what u said.... the IGNORANT part. sure ppl need focus, but there's MORE to it than that. |
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I agree with you. |
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a hot poker up the hind parts! that'll learn 'em! |
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heheh... |
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mylittlesister, Yes broadly speaking it is. My point being, you can be entirely useless at school but as long as you have drive you can make anything of yourself. Now surely that squares up with you mylittlesister eh? |
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haha nice. :) well, i think it is different for each 'young person'. i mean, you don't even have to use examples of children under age 10 - heck, just look at teenagers! some still aren't ready to learn the things that they might be more interested in later in life. i know a lot of people who fuck up in high school, or even in first year university, because they simply felt pressured into going straight into school and learning more without really even feeling confident or knowing much about themselves. but who's to say that anyone can know who they are? (now that's a question for another thread) 'scholastic intelligence' isn't necessarily the ultimate goal for every person, some people are just happy like pigs in shit, just sitting around and watching television. |
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personally, i think i do better scholastically now than i did in high school. or even in my first year of university. i just needed that time to fuck up my life for a few years, before i could just sit down and settle down. most people don't even have that opportunity - some just have overall unstable financial situations, unstable family and social situations and this causes them to never consider doing anything better. so you can't really say that kids will be 'smarter' if they are forced to learn more at a younger age - it's really whether they feel that they are ready for it. |
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well, that's what you'd like to think. Qualifications actually do have a key importance in life, because of the way our societies work. Someone with better qualifications is more likely to get somewhere, career-wise. I'm not saying its right, just stating that it is there. |
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evolume, Yes how correct. Kids need discipline very true, otherwise they just run riot. The fact is without discipline children just don't know the boundaries, so they push it all the time. We now living in a time where as a matter of course, they (kids) are just cheaking to adults (purely as thrillseeking) and if you're not one yet (an adult) wait until you become one and then you'll know what I'm talking about. When I was younger we use to fear getting '6 of the best'. And yes you had respect for the masters. And yes it created good order. Of course at the time you didn't appreciate that threat but by God you respected your masters. This has sadly gone and was has taken its place, is kids who just don't know any boundaries. Enjoy your adulthood is all I can say. |
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yeah, thats a good point. in the UK, the entry age for schools is 5yrs (sometimes 4yrs) but children arent ready for school then. Not being ready for school means that they're pushed to go further, when they dont really understand it, so they create a negative image of school and of learning overall. 5yrs was just a convenient age for parents to send their children to school, in no way was it chosen because it was good for the CHILD. |
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youths have realised they have rights, and that people cannot threaten them with violence. the result may be the desired one, but i dont think "6 of the best" is a good method. |
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It's soo messed up. Soo many kids with learning disabilities, kids on Ritalin etc. It's complicated... a complicated system we have. |
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the UK education system is a very faulted system, its all about "jumping through hoops" rather than actually learning. its so annoying... I'm on one side of the education system (being a student) and my mum's on the other (used to be a teacher, then trained people for childcare, now works for the council in "childcare" and equal opps.) yet we both agree that the education system is flawed. |
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mylittlesister, Qualifications are important sure. But the reality is their importance is grossly over stated. Drive and ambition, are 10 times more powerful than some silly piece of paper stating you did this or that. Fact is this is often proved by the case, that people who go on to be highly successful bussiness wise for instance can often have sod all qualifications. When you're young you're lead to believe that they're the be all and end all of things but the reality is they're soon forgotten and become obsolute pretty quickly once you get into the work case scenario proper. Of course some jobs are very qualification specific but a lot aren't and more down to particular skills etc etc. In short yes you can live school with no GCSEs and get on with life and be highly successful. 100% absolutely. |
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mylittlesister, Mmm well that explains a lot. |
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