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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 13:56 [#00670882]
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Hmm....I'm trying to uncover the secrets of u-ziq's Tango n'Vectif. I've done other thread searches so don't blow smoke up my ass ;)
What makes Tango so good? It was amazing in 1993, do any of you still feel that way about this album?
Thanks for your input guys (and girls).
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 13:57 [#00670889]
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it's got this unique sound to it, his melodies are just brilliant, it makes me think of a future where everyone lives in domes filled with trees and nice things, and everyones happy and wears white robes
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Atli
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-04-26 14:02 [#00670899]
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well, i think µ-ziq is ok and i own this record but i don't think it's that good.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:05 [#00670913]
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I'm still listening to it. The track "Tango n'Vectif" is actually really irritating. I'm not going to pass judgement just yet - many times have I hated and then loved.
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:09 [#00670925]
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I was listening to Mike's mix of X-ASP this morning in bed and there's a really otherworldy melody in there that made me think of just such a scene Spacecadet described, like in Woody Allen's Sleeper or something.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 14:10 [#00670928]
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yeah, a futuristic utopia, thats tango n'vectif :)
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:14 [#00670943]
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Hmmm.... I feel quite the same when I listen to LFO Frequencies, and a bit of Mouse on Mars. Off in a different planet.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:14 [#00670946]
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Do you think the album is technically impressive?
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:15 [#00670947]
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not to mention aphex's earlier tracks
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 14:17 [#00670953]
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technically impressive, maybe, the beats arnt technical but the song structures are perfect and the sounds are good, it's sounds outdated now, but then so does tangerine dream, doesnt mean it's not musically as good as anything today
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:19 [#00670959]
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ahhh very wise spacecadet. How far we have come in 10 years.
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:19 [#00670960]
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i hate the way loads of artists nowadays try to prove something with zillions of dsp effects.
that's what i don't like about bilious paths. some of the tracks on there are really annoying
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 14:20 [#00670962]
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good music stands the test of time
good style never goes out of fashion
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:24 [#00670965]
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pity madonna follows trends and not style
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billabongbill
from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 14:43 [#00670996]
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I think it's a very average album, nothing great tho. I've heard loads of bits and pieces by u-ziq and imo he's highly over-rated. More of an immitator than an innovator.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 14:46 [#00670999]
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i dont know about that, he was there at the start along with aphex, luke vibert, lfo
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billabongbill
from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 14:55 [#00671009]
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I think Tango just sounds like a second-rate Aphex to be honest. The stuff he did on the Mealtime compilation on Planet Mu was ok but everything else i've heard hasn't impressed me. The Fear is one of the suckiest tracks ever i think
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:58 [#00671012]
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Despite what some may say about u-ziq being an imitator, I doubt any of us here could produce music as well as he.
Everyone seeks inspiration from somewhere. u-ziq may owe alot to RDJ and squarepusher, but truth is, many of us have tried to imitate and have failed. It's not easy trying to imitate Aphex - believe me.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 14:58 [#00671014]
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has anyone heard his stuff as tusken raiders?
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:04 [#00671026]
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Nope. I'm thinking that Tango n'Vectif rests along with SAW 1 (I'm not saying it is better so don't hurt me), LFO Frequencies and Plaid Trainer. They have stood the test of time because they are chalk full of beautiful and catchy music.
I always have a hard time wrapping my digital head around these analog goodies.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:06 [#00671027]
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i think that the analogue synths and old samplers with low bitrates are what gives those albums character
long live the vintage synth!!!
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billabongbill
from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 15:25 [#00671057]
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While i may not be able to produce tracks as good as u-ziq does, it does not mean i have to believe he's good. If we were to go by your view, we would all have to be as good as AFX, Squarepusher, AE...before we could pass comment on them be it positive or negative.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:27 [#00671061]
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RDJ thinks u-ziq is pretty good. What do you think he would say about you? ;)
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billabongbill
from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 15:29 [#00671063]
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:) I dunno to be honest.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:29 [#00671065]
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I'm an ass.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:31 [#00671068]
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some people used to think the spice girls were good
see my point?
i think we just need to agree to disagree
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:31 [#00671069]
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Well, because you are from the U.K., you're immediatly 10 times better at music than the average American when it comes to creative music.
I'm from Canada and I'm sorry - North American music for the most part is the biggest shit I have ever heard. Commercial, uncreative, and untalented. Nearly every CD I own is either from German or British producers - save for Plastikman from Windsor!!!
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:33 [#00671071]
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billabong are you that guy who lives near(ish) DUNDRUM?
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:33 [#00671072]
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I don't think anybody on this board ever thought that the spice girls were great. Some people think the Barenaked Ladies and Creed are good too. Probably the same people who think that shoving a piece of number 5 sandpaper up your ass is fun.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:35 [#00671073]
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venetian snares, cex, richard devine, kid606, lesser are all good and north american, but then thats just my opinion
i dont think where you come from really matters, but i guess some of it does have to do with national culture
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:36 [#00671074]
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errr venetian snares is canadian
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:38 [#00671075]
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It sure does. Commercialism runs our lives moreso than other places I've been too. There are always exceptions, and those are the people who don't mind taking a risk to put out some material that is new and refreshing.
Hell, look at our hit TV shows (American Idol, PopStars, America's Most Talented Kid). They're gonna grow up to fit America's great musical mold.
P.S. Don't forget Plastikman (a.k.a. Richie Hawtin)
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:40 [#00671077]
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North American includes Canada :)
Most yankees see us as America Jr. Truth is - we're ALOT different.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:40 [#00671078]
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yeah i meant north american (including canada, my bad :] )
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:41 [#00671079]
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i know a girl from canada and she slapped my friend for asking where abouts in america she was from :)
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:44 [#00671081]
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it's fucking way more complicated with uk, great britain, british isles and all that
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:45 [#00671082]
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i mean, i understand them all but i can see why someone not from there is gonna get confused
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patrik
from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:46 [#00671085]
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right i'm off to bed to listen to CD1 off the 26 mixes, got Elephant by the White Stripes as well today, nice album.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:47 [#00671086]
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I would too. I met a guy from Buffalo N.Y. when I was skiing. We struck up a conversation and asked us where we were from:
"Where you from guys" "Canada actually" "Well.....where's that again?"
I COULD HAVE SHIT! I almost tossed the yank right off the chair-lift. Whatever damage he might have incurred couldn't have made him any more stupid.
(For those from distant lands, Buffalo N.Y. shares a border with Canada).
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:48 [#00671090]
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haha talk about ignorant, or maybe it was a bad joke, either way....dick
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:49 [#00671091]
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Britian is O.K. in my books. Sweet music, cool accent, beautiful country.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:50 [#00671093]
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depends where in britain, the national parks is the only real bit of land we have left, and the musics good too :)
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:52 [#00671096]
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My cousin works at the Buffalo border and American's pull up in the middle of July with skiis strapped to their vehicles, asking for the nearest ski hill.
We tell them to head north about 40 hours to the nearest frozen iceberg. My cousin wishes she could take a picture of the look of astonishment on their faces.
O.K. I'm done American bashing - back to Tango n'Vectif.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 15:59 [#00671101]
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hehe, im listening to ethereal murmurings right now :)
it's the old keyboards (digital and analog) and samplers that give it that sound that no dsp or soft syth can recreate, all those separate boxes going thru analog leads into an analog desk, warmed up with external reverbs etc, you cant do that on yer laptop
thats my 2cents
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:01 [#00671103]
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O.K. I've been through CD 1 about 4 times. It's getting much better. It was so odd. I'm used to hearing Royal Astonomy and Lunatic Harness. It's taking me longer to wrap my head around this thing.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 16:02 [#00671104]
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it's a grower
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:03 [#00671106]
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True true....I've never had the luxury of working with analog. I'm sure I would appreciate it more if things were different. I've always been Mr. Software.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:18 [#00671129]
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It is growing. I guess it's been awhile since I've visited analog-land. Recently I've been occupied by squarepusher snare rushes and autechre farts. I'm returning to a very different world.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-04-26 16:26 [#00671138]
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there's something to be said for both, incunibula was analog cracking album, but they could never do the stuff they do now with just analog. but i got a feeling they still use them to sample from
i think if you want squelches, burbles and such, analog, if you want oddness and clean sounds or just about anything else then digital. dont think im bashing computers it's just it's nice to have a physical machine to touch and shape the sounds with your fingers. it's like painting with a paintbrush compared to using photoshop
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:31 [#00671145]
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Cool spacecadet. You're an interesting joe. Is there still a place for the analog scene in current time? Can you still purchase analog components?
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