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offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 13:56 [#00670882]
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Hmm....I'm trying to uncover the secrets of u-ziq's Tango
n'Vectif. I've done other thread searches so don't blow
smoke up my ass ;)

What makes Tango so good? It was amazing in 1993, do any of
you still feel that way about this album?

Thanks for your input guys (and girls).



 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 13:57 [#00670889]
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it's got this unique sound to it, his melodies are just
brilliant, it makes me think of a future where everyone
lives in domes filled with trees and nice things, and
everyones happy and wears white robes


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2003-04-26 14:02 [#00670899]
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well, i think µ-ziq is ok and i own this record but i don't
think it's that good.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:05 [#00670913]
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I'm still listening to it. The track "Tango n'Vectif" is
actually really irritating. I'm not going to pass judgement
just yet - many times have I hated and then loved.



 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:09 [#00670925]
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I was listening to Mike's mix of X-ASP this morning in bed
and there's a really otherworldy melody in there that made
me think of just such a scene Spacecadet described, like in
Woody Allen's Sleeper or something.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 14:10 [#00670928]
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yeah, a futuristic utopia, thats tango n'vectif :)


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:14 [#00670943]
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Hmmm.... I feel quite the same when I listen to LFO
Frequencies, and a bit of Mouse on Mars. Off in a different
planet.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:14 [#00670946]
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Do you think the album is technically impressive?


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:15 [#00670947]
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not to mention aphex's earlier tracks


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 14:17 [#00670953]
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technically impressive, maybe, the beats arnt technical but
the song structures are perfect and the sounds are good,
it's sounds outdated now, but then so does tangerine dream,
doesnt mean it's not musically as good as anything today


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:19 [#00670959]
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ahhh very wise spacecadet. How far we have come in 10
years.


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:19 [#00670960]
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i hate the way loads of artists nowadays try to prove
something with zillions of dsp effects.

that's what i don't like about bilious paths.
some of the tracks on there are really annoying


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 14:20 [#00670962]
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good music stands the test of time

good style never goes out of fashion


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 14:24 [#00670965]
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pity madonna follows trends and not style


 

offline billabongbill from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 14:43 [#00670996]
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I think it's a very average album, nothing great tho. I've
heard loads of bits and pieces by u-ziq and imo he's highly
over-rated. More of an immitator than an innovator.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 14:46 [#00670999]
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i dont know about that, he was there at the start along with
aphex, luke vibert, lfo


 

offline billabongbill from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 14:55 [#00671009]
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I think Tango just sounds like a second-rate Aphex to be
honest. The stuff he did on the Mealtime compilation on
Planet Mu was ok but everything else i've heard hasn't
impressed me. The Fear is one of the suckiest tracks ever i
think


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 14:58 [#00671012]
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Despite what some may say about u-ziq being an imitator, I
doubt any of us here could produce music as well as he.

Everyone seeks inspiration from somewhere. u-ziq may owe
alot to RDJ and squarepusher, but truth is, many of us have
tried to imitate and have failed. It's not easy trying to
imitate Aphex - believe me.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 14:58 [#00671014]
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has anyone heard his stuff as tusken raiders?


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:04 [#00671026]
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Nope. I'm thinking that Tango n'Vectif rests along with SAW
1 (I'm not saying it is better so don't hurt me), LFO
Frequencies and Plaid Trainer. They have stood the test of
time because they are chalk full of beautiful and catchy
music.
I always have a hard time wrapping my digital head around
these analog goodies.



 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:06 [#00671027]
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i think that the analogue synths and old samplers with low
bitrates are what gives those albums character

long live the vintage synth!!!


 

offline billabongbill from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 15:25 [#00671057]
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While i may not be able to produce tracks as good as u-ziq
does, it does not mean i have to believe he's good. If we
were to go by your view, we would all have to be as good as
AFX, Squarepusher, AE...before we could pass comment on them
be it positive or negative.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:27 [#00671061]
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RDJ thinks u-ziq is pretty good. What do you think he would
say about you? ;)


 

offline billabongbill from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-04-26 15:29 [#00671063]
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:) I dunno to be honest.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:29 [#00671065]
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I'm an ass.



 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:31 [#00671068]
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some people used to think the spice girls were good

see my point?

i think we just need to agree to disagree


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:31 [#00671069]
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Well, because you are from the U.K., you're immediatly 10
times better at music than the average American when it
comes to creative music.

I'm from Canada and I'm sorry - North American music for the
most part is the biggest shit I have ever heard.
Commercial, uncreative, and untalented. Nearly every CD I
own is either from German or British producers - save for
Plastikman from Windsor!!!


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:33 [#00671071]
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billabong are you that guy who lives near(ish) DUNDRUM?


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:33 [#00671072]
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I don't think anybody on this board ever thought that the
spice girls were great. Some people think the Barenaked
Ladies and Creed are good too. Probably the same people who
think that shoving a piece of number 5 sandpaper up your ass
is fun.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:35 [#00671073]
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venetian snares, cex, richard devine, kid606, lesser are all
good and north american, but then thats just my opinion

i dont think where you come from really matters, but i guess
some of it does have to do with national culture


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:36 [#00671074]
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errr venetian snares is canadian


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:38 [#00671075]
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It sure does. Commercialism runs our lives moreso than
other places I've been too. There are always exceptions,
and those are the people who don't mind taking a risk to put
out some material that is new and refreshing.

Hell, look at our hit TV shows (American Idol, PopStars,
America's Most Talented Kid). They're gonna grow up to fit
America's great musical mold.

P.S. Don't forget Plastikman (a.k.a. Richie Hawtin)


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:40 [#00671077]
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North American includes Canada :)

Most yankees see us as America Jr. Truth is - we're ALOT
different.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:40 [#00671078]
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yeah i meant north american (including canada, my bad :] )


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:41 [#00671079]
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i know a girl from canada and she slapped my friend for
asking where abouts in america she was from :)


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:44 [#00671081]
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it's fucking way more complicated with uk, great britain,
british isles and all that


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:45 [#00671082]
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i mean, i understand them all but i can see why someone not
from there is gonna get confused


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-26 15:46 [#00671085]
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right i'm off to bed to listen to CD1 off the 26 mixes, got
Elephant by the White Stripes as well today, nice album.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:47 [#00671086]
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I would too. I met a guy from Buffalo N.Y. when I was
skiing. We struck up a conversation and asked us where we
were from:

"Where you from guys"
"Canada actually"
"Well.....where's that again?"

I COULD HAVE SHIT! I almost tossed the yank right off the
chair-lift. Whatever damage he might have incurred couldn't
have made him any more stupid.

(For those from distant lands, Buffalo N.Y. shares a border
with Canada).


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:48 [#00671090]
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haha talk about ignorant, or maybe it was a bad joke, either
way....dick


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:49 [#00671091]
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Britian is O.K. in my books. Sweet music, cool accent,
beautiful country.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:50 [#00671093]
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depends where in britain, the national parks is the only
real bit of land we have left, and the musics good too :)


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 15:52 [#00671096]
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My cousin works at the Buffalo border and American's pull up
in the middle of July with skiis strapped to their vehicles,
asking for the nearest ski hill.

We tell them to head north about 40 hours to the nearest
frozen iceberg. My cousin wishes she could take a picture
of the look of astonishment on their faces.

O.K. I'm done American bashing - back to Tango n'Vectif.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 15:59 [#00671101]
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hehe, im listening to ethereal murmurings right now :)

it's the old keyboards (digital and analog)
and samplers that give it that sound that no dsp or soft
syth can recreate, all those separate boxes going thru
analog leads into an analog desk, warmed up with external
reverbs etc, you cant do that on yer laptop

thats my 2cents


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:01 [#00671103]
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O.K. I've been through CD 1 about 4 times. It's getting
much better. It was so odd. I'm used to hearing Royal
Astonomy and Lunatic Harness. It's taking me longer to wrap
my head around this thing.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 16:02 [#00671104]
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it's a grower


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:03 [#00671106]
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True true....I've never had the luxury of working with
analog. I'm sure I would appreciate it more if things were
different. I've always been Mr. Software.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:18 [#00671129]
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It is growing. I guess it's been awhile since I've visited
analog-land. Recently I've been occupied by squarepusher
snare rushes and autechre farts. I'm returning to a very
different world.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-04-26 16:26 [#00671138]
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there's something to be said for both, incunibula was analog
cracking album, but they could never do the stuff they do
now with just analog. but i got a feeling they still use
them to sample from

i think if you want squelches, burbles and such, analog, if
you want oddness and clean sounds or just about anything
else then digital. dont think im bashing computers it's just
it's nice to have a physical machine to touch and shape the
sounds with your fingers. it's like painting with a
paintbrush compared to using photoshop


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-26 16:31 [#00671145]
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Cool spacecadet. You're an interesting joe. Is there still
a place for the analog scene in current time? Can you still
purchase analog components?


 


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