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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-19 14:31 [#00658736]
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Just kinda wondering, in places like the Netherlands, can you walk into a convenience store and pick up a nickelbag? Do they manufacture actual marijuana cigarettes, like tobacco cigs in the USA?
I'm not a user, but i'm curious as to how mainstream usage is over there. Oh, and what are legal ages?
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from So.Flo on 2003-04-19 14:42 [#00658749]
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Super question guy!!!!!!
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-04-19 14:51 [#00658757]
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there are authorized dealers as far as I know, and the legal age is 18 to the best of my knowledge.
Weed is not legalized in the netherlands, it is merely decriminalized. A full legalizations means that you do not need a permit so sell whatever it is you're selling, but in the Netherlands a permit is required. (mind you, I'm not 100% sure though)
It's the same with alcohol basically - it's not legalized, because you need a permit to sell it at your store. There's a big difference between legalization and decriminalization.
I bet there are lots of .nl-members here, that can both answer you, and correct the contents of my post :)
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-04-19 14:52 [#00658758]
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Since one month, it's legal here in Belgium too. (YAY!) You need to be 18 and it's not allowed in company of minors and you can't do it in public places.
but... dealing is not allowed. You're supposed to grow it yourself. We are allowed to grow 4 (I think) plants per person.
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from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-04-19 14:54 [#00658760]
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Supreme: if it's not allowed to deal it, then it is not legalized, it is decriminalized - there's a big diffenrence.
canada is by far the only country that is working towards a full legalization in every area of the subject
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-04-19 14:56 [#00658762]
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When it wasn't legal here yet, we went too the netherlands every once in a while to buy weed in a 'coffeeshop' ;) .
That's just an old name , I think. They had this kind of menus with all the possible drugs they sold.
I think you don't do that kinda stuff when you're not allowed to sell it.
It is legal in the netherlands. For years already!
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-04-19 14:59 [#00658765]
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of course they don't sell it if they're not allowed - that's the point. But if it was fully legalized then everyone could sell the stuff. As far as I know, you need a government authorization to do it - that still makes drugdealing illegal if you do not have a permit, but it's allowed within the boundaries of this permit
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-04-19 15:01 [#00658766]
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...that's what I heard some minister say on tv. She said "legalise" (...)
yeah, I know, the Belgian politicians are stuuupid.
Whatever it's caled, they can't arrest you anymore for lighting a joint in your living room, or owning some weed.
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on 2003-04-19 15:04 [#00658772]
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"Supreme: if it's not allowed to deal it, then it is not legalized, it is decriminalized - there's a big diffenrence."
How big?
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-04-19 15:05 [#00658775]
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ok, like I said, I'm not 100% on this. This goes for the rest of my posts on this thread (I prolly shouldn't be posting at all then, hehe)
But, if the police in holland catch you with 100 pounds of marihuana you will be punished by law, because it is not legalized. If it was legalized however, this activity would be, well, legal :)
It's legal for the user to use it, but it's still illegal for the drug-lords to deal the stuff.
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from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-04-19 15:07 [#00658780]
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to decriminalize means to stop punishing the users, and focus on the biguns instead. It's purely politics
decriminalization means you're allowed to use it, but it's still illegal to sell it - go figure, but that's roughly what it means
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-19 17:57 [#00658989]
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MM...where are all the dutch people on the boards when you need them?
I still want to know if they have industrialized marijuana cigarettes...would they have cute ads and names? how hilarious would that be?
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elated_caution
from Duvall (United States) on 2003-04-19 18:11 [#00659008]
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I'm so lucky I get aderol every day, legally!
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Morgoth
from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-04-19 18:15 [#00659018]
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Is that law through yet? As it's been quite a thing here in belgium, and with those upcoming elections there might be more problems on the way.
And about the Netherlands: I think it's legal over there. Same as with alcohol: you can sell it with some sort of permit given by the state.
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from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-19 22:20 [#00659348]
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yeah they're starting to talk about it here:):)
ive heard it explained like this: "decriminalized" would make it like a traffic violation... you wouldn't go to jail and get a criminal record for it, but its not fully legal like candy bars
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-04-20 04:20 [#00659543]
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Okay... I looked it up . Unfortunately, the text is in Dutch, French and German only, since this is a website of the Belgian government.
The text is a lil' too complicated for me to translate. (sorry)
http://staatsblad.be/index_nl.htm
click 'justice from A to Z' , and then go to 'drugs'. Then read the faq.
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from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2003-04-20 04:28 [#00659546]
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It comes down to it that they can't proscecute (?) you for growing cannabis.
(for me , that means it is completely legal)
And that they can't proscecute(?) you for smoking canabis in a private space , if you're not in company of minors.
Selling things without paying taxes is illegal anyway.
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nacmat
on 2003-04-20 04:33 [#00659548]
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all drugs should be legalized. each one must be mature enough to know what they must do with their lifes.
being illegal, only cause more mafia and problems. once its legalized in the whole world (no sense in being illegal someplaces and not in others) mafias shall dissapear, and with that a lot of gangs trouble.
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Morgoth
from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-04-20 06:05 [#00659587]
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Each and everyone should be mature enough, but are they?
Same with alcohol, most people can drink on a normal basis, but there are alcohol addicts as well.
It's not that I'm against legalisation, I'm definately pro as I don't see any harm in smoking weed or so, but before one can legalise all drugs, I think people should be made aware of what they're about to do when using them.
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from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-20 06:15 [#00659590]
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apparently here in nsw you may carry a big ol bag of the stuff no problem,but the same amount in divided bags then your up shit creek without a paddle
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2003-04-20 06:36 [#00659603]
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"can you walk into a convenience store and pick up a nickelbag? Do they manufacture actual marijuana cigarettes, like tobacco cigs in the USA?"
congratulations on doing your best to keep prejudices alive and kicking. You probably wonder how i - a guy who lives in a windmill, walks on wooden shoes, has a few thousand tulips in his garden, along with a few acres of marijuana plants -, can even speak english.
how typically american can one get? you guys never cease to amaze (and amuse) me. Take a look at nlogax. He's not from here (but then, europe is just one big country to you guys anyway) but he knows a shitload of things because he is smart and has interest in other countries. I admire that and most americans should try to be more like him.
No offense if you're just trying to get some info, but next time try to think about how you're going to put it into words.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-04-20 07:00 [#00659617]
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I really liked the part where you said "..but he knows a shitload of things because he is smart and has interest in other countries. I admire that.."
yay :)
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-20 19:57 [#00660739]
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OK, see, I was kidding around. Prejudices, what are you talking about? I'm Dutch myself and I still have family living there, and I have met them myself.
I was simply wondering about what "legal" means, in terms of cannabis. Jesus Christ, lighten the fuck up.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-20 20:08 [#00660750]
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there are a couple of legalized drugs i use; Paxil and Concerta
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-20 20:08 [#00660751]
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I do large amounts of caffeine...that's about as serious as I get.
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