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theo himself
from +- on 2003-04-17 18:19 [#00655701]
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I'd like to use the breakdown part before the concluding section of "arched maid via RDJ" as an example for this question (the minute or so that leads into the 3 minute mark).. this is also found in yellow calx and thousands of other tracks; those of richard james and the many subsequent emulations
for the purposes of this question/demonstration:
| = snare drum *= silence
I've noticed that sometimes a snare rush, or whatever you want to call it, will speed up or slow down.. and I've been able to reproduce this frequency-shift manually, but I'd like to know if there's any way of doing it 'live' so to speak
it'll go like this:
| * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | *
and eventually speed up like so:
| * | * | *|*|*|*|*|*|*| | | | | | ||||||||
or it'll do the complete reverse of this sequence
how is this done
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-17 18:21 [#00655714]
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hmm
i've done that as well, in an old version of Cool Edit.
if you change the frequency on an applied delay effect i think you can achieve that.
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corticalstim
from Canada on 2003-04-17 18:23 [#00655719]
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you could make a controller to do it live if you wanted to - just link a knob to a control that sets the speed of the snare to 1/4 notes, then 1/16ths, then 1/32nds, and then 1/64ths - etc.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-04-17 18:28 [#00655748]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular | Followup to corticalstim: #00655719
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but that's a delay effect.. I've noticed it's easier to use echoes and delay effects to reproduce that snare rush thing.. do u think this is the most prevalent technique?
I'd like to use a method other than those which use delay, because I want to be able to make the frequency so high that it ends up sounding like a high pitched tone and no longer like a series of snare hits.. the only way I've been able to do this is through something like cool edit, like you said, if I calculate the sample rate and reduce it by 50% each time
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-17 18:32 [#00655770]
Points: 8984 Status: Lurker | Followup to theo himself: #00655748
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on audiomulch i've accelerated the delay of a sample to the point where it's ultrasonic. it sounds smooth too.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-17 19:27 [#00655921]
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you have to increase the tempo while preserving the pitch. There's software that can do this such as the amazing slow downer. ONly that won't work because you can't slightly and gradually increase it indefinately, it's more of a one click and you change the whole thing globally. You can do it in modpug but only in a way that won't preserve pitch (just loop a "tat, tat, tat" and increase the pitch till it goes faster and faster)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-17 19:30 [#00655926]
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a really cheap way to do it in a tracker (modplug) would be to increase the tempo (it will only go so fast). then make all the patterns have 256 rows. Then on the 1st 4 patterns, only put a tat on the first row, on the 2nd 4 patterns put a tat on the 1st row AND the 128th row, on the next put twice as many evenly spaced tats etc. then save as a wav and import it at the highest octave possible and if necessary re do it. but this won't be analogue and gradual in increasing the speed, but it'll sound cool anyway.
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Binaural Tea
from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2003-04-17 19:41 [#00655941]
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its pretty important that the track keeps a high programming speed to actually pull this off and get away with it, atleast thats what i do.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-04-17 20:03 [#00655988]
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The 'snare rush' is a piss take from crappy rave tracks. It's effective if that turns you on but there are plenty of other ways to rise tension than a cheesy speeded up snare/kick roll. Try pitching the bass down five keys or adding a high string at a 7th to the melody before you use this trick, unless you're having fun.
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ymenard
on 2003-04-17 20:29 [#00656020]
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give us a snare rush... rush... rush... rush....hsur!
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