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offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-17 18:19 [#00655701]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular



I'd like to use the breakdown part before the concluding
section of "arched maid via RDJ" as an example for this
question (the minute or so that leads into the 3 minute
mark).. this is also found in yellow calx and thousands of
other tracks; those of richard james and the many subsequent
emulations

for the purposes of this question/demonstration:

| = snare drum
*= silence

I've noticed that sometimes a snare rush, or whatever you
want to call it, will speed up or slow down.. and I've been
able to reproduce this frequency-shift manually, but I'd
like to know if there's any way of doing it 'live' so to
speak

it'll go like this:

| * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | * | *

and eventually speed up like so:

| * | * | *|*|*|*|*|*|*| | | | | | ||||||||

or it'll do the complete reverse of this sequence

how is this done


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-17 18:21 [#00655714]
Points: 8984 Status: Lurker



hmm

i've done that as well, in an old version of Cool Edit.

if you change the frequency on an applied delay effect i
think you can achieve that.


 

offline corticalstim from Canada on 2003-04-17 18:23 [#00655719]
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you could make a controller to do it live if you wanted to
- just link a knob to a control that sets the speed of the
snare to 1/4 notes, then 1/16ths, then 1/32nds, and then
1/64ths - etc.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-17 18:28 [#00655748]
Points: 3348 Status: Regular | Followup to corticalstim: #00655719



but that's a delay effect.. I've noticed it's easier to use
echoes and delay effects to reproduce that snare rush
thing.. do u think this is the most prevalent technique?

I'd like to use a method other than those which use delay,
because I want to be able to make the frequency so high that
it ends up sounding like a high pitched tone and no longer
like a series of snare hits.. the only way I've been able to
do this is through something like cool edit, like you said,
if I calculate the sample rate and reduce it by 50% each
time


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-17 18:32 [#00655770]
Points: 8984 Status: Lurker | Followup to theo himself: #00655748



on audiomulch i've accelerated the delay of a sample to
the point where it's ultrasonic. it sounds smooth too.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-17 19:27 [#00655921]
Points: 21456 Status: Regular



you have to increase the tempo while preserving the pitch.
There's software that can do this such as the amazing slow
downer. ONly that won't work because you can't slightly and
gradually increase it indefinately, it's more of a one click
and you change the whole thing globally. You can do it in
modpug but only in a way that won't preserve pitch (just
loop a "tat, tat, tat" and increase the pitch till it goes
faster and faster)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-17 19:30 [#00655926]
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a really cheap way to do it in a tracker (modplug) would be
to increase the tempo (it will only go so fast). then make
all the patterns have 256 rows. Then on the 1st 4 patterns,
only put a tat on the first row, on the 2nd 4 patterns put a
tat on the 1st row AND the 128th row, on the next put twice
as many evenly spaced tats etc. then save as a wav and
import it at the highest octave possible and if necessary re
do it. but this won't be analogue and gradual in increasing
the speed, but it'll sound cool anyway.


 

offline Binaural Tea from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2003-04-17 19:41 [#00655941]
Points: 1912 Status: Lurker



its pretty important that the track keeps a high programming
speed to actually pull this off and get away with it,
atleast thats what i do.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2003-04-17 20:03 [#00655988]
Points: 12102 Status: Regular



The 'snare rush' is a piss take from crappy rave tracks.
It's effective if that turns you on but there are plenty of
other ways to rise tension than a cheesy speeded up
snare/kick roll. Try pitching the bass down five keys or
adding a high string at a 7th to the melody before you use
this trick, unless you're having fun.


 

offline ymenard on 2003-04-17 20:29 [#00656020]
Points: 1001 Status: Regular



give us a snare
rush...
rush...
rush...
rush....hsur!


 


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