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ScreamUnheard said "I try counting the time and figure out what beats they on, but they aren't really sixteen notes, nor are they triplets..... Has anyone figured out what they are?" i assumed the time signatures of confield and most of draft 7.30 weren't of integers. what do you all think? |
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How about assuming they pay no attention to time signatures :D Electronic music has surpassed all that old music stuff. lol |
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just because you don't make music with a time signature in mind doesn't mean the music has no time signature. but i agree, i can't imagine ae writing the music the ol' *whatever you call those lines* also, maybe it's not that the time signatures are not of integers, maybe the time signatures are in a constant flux. eh? |
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"writing their music on the ol' *whatever you call those lines*" |
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I think they use some shuffle which makes it harder to guess the timesignatures |
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I'd say most of the time they follow the standard, 4/4 time signature, though many times (like in sim gishel, vproc and most notably in iv scose poise) they speeed up and slow down the bpm throwing everything off completely, momentarily. other times they simply delay snare hits and pull little time-stretch tricks on it.. I do agree with ecnadniarb in that they do throw away/ignore a lot of the rules most people follow in musical composition. I think they're doing a great thing by balancing both conventional structural adherence and free-flowing capricious liquidity.. after all it is about the sounds (in theirs and many others' case, soundscapes) produced and not the method or the technical math behind it that ultimately matters |
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going to go and listen to this album again........ :) |
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of course the time signatures aren't imporant for appreciating the music. i just find it interesting is all. personally, i doubt they have a straight time signature with the ocassional speed up or slow down. i'm pretty sure that the flux is continuous. from reading interviews i gather they are capable of doing this digitally. |
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i'm sure i can count 4/4 on most of ae's tracks, but with digital composing you can just syncopate it or put spaces between sounds to make it totaly sound like another tempo/time signature so you never know... |
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In the song x2zrr38-099 on the Litz EP by early Autechre The timing is 7/8 then goes to 5/4 followed by two bars of 2/3 and a passage of 6/4. Dizzying |
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damn geeks |
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they used a gong on confield. |
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Yes, most Ae is in fact in 4/4. Especially Draft, off-beat as it is...it's all in 4/4. Not sure about Confield.... |
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Im not really sure of this, but I dont think time signs, really give the speed...I think they just show which note gets what beat...I think the words like "presto" and "largo" give the speed |
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Tri Repetae is all 4/4 |
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hmm the first two songs on lp5 are various different time sigantures layered on top of each other:polyrythms... track 2 has 5/4 4/4 3/4 and 7/8 at least... a really head fuck cichli is 5/4 track 4 from chiastic slide cfern is 6/4 and like some tracks like bine have no time signature.... but the majority are 4/4 caring about music doesn't make you dork does it? not if your a musican or one who studies music.. |
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'hub' from chiastic slide is really interesting in terms of time signatures. sounds like about 3 competing time scales. though i've never tried to figure out exactly what's going on, in case it all turns out to be something simple after all. heh. |
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i hear alot of 4/4 stuff going on with other time sigs on top of it. some of it is waltz time in a 4/4 frame. anything goes, i guess. |
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autechre flows to some funky beats. |
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I always rap to AE tracks, Draft 7.30 would be a dam fine album with some MC-ing on top! :) I flip to every track on Draft even Tapr has a steady beat n time signature. Nice AE. |
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what is a 2/3 time signature? |
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they really did use a gong,but there u go |
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"lateralus" is in a time signature of 9/8/7 |
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2/3? never heard of it myself...perhaps every dotted quarter note gets the beat? |
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oh my, you know Autechre really aren't such gods as some people make them out to be... they make excellent music, but they follow the same rules as everyone else, and most of their music is in 4/4... for instance, I played Pen Expers on my big stereo downstairs the other day REALLY loud, and sure it sounds offbeat and glitchy, but I was nodding my head to the beat, and it was straight 4/4... I think most times Autechre's music is misleading... however, they have experimented with some not so common time signatures like 5/4, and I believe 777 is in 7/4 time... |
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that doesn't exist... I agree lateralus seems pretty weird... it's probably just a couple time signatures switching back and forth, rather then only one for the whole song... |
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Characi off of Cichlisuite EP is 13/8... |
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'i can't imagine ae writing the music the ol' *whatever you call those lines*" i'd love for someone proficient at writing it to try, though... d'be nice to look at. |
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theres lots of clicks and beeps and sounds between beats so people think its often not in 4/4 but it is a lot of the time like all of you have said. Im not too good at counting but I can do 4/4 and 3/4 and 6/8 but other than that I cant count too well--musically that is. |
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of course the time signatures are in [whole] integers! p.s. guys only some autechre tracks are in 4/4, and even those usually incorporate autechre's most identifiable trait: layering of different time signatures. y'all noticed that before, right? |
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layering of different time signatures. y'all noticed that before, right? Of course. LP5 and Confield is LOADED with them. |
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confield has some really interesting time signature construction, whenever I put the album on it really keeps me on my toes.. |
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i know for a fact that on some tracks from confield and draft that the beats are shifting. if you tap your feet in a straight linear rhythm you will soon be off beat before long. not 4/4. |
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even the beatles didnt always stick to one time signature throughout songs. :D |
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it is one thing to shift from one time signature to another, but that is not the case i refer to. i'm talking about a continous shift, rather than steps. curves. maybe it's just my fantasy, but that's what i hear. |
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Hahaha, it's funny that I kind of started this thread, and it isn't really about what I count 4/4 on most tracks, but on some tracks, either they are using some twisted rhythms or I can't really subdivide to figure out what notes they are using... (sixteenth notes, sixteenth note triples, maybe 10th notes? I don't know) I could be wrong, but some of their rhythms seem, so off beat, and I was thinking it might be because they are using some strange notes.... Or I suck at music! A distinct possibility! |
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"hmm the first two songs on lp5 are various different time sigantures layered on top of each other:polyrythms... track 2 has 5/4 4/4 3/4 and 7/8 at least... " acroyear2 is in straight 4/4 (to me at least) 777 is in 7/8 or 7/4, depending on when you divide the bars.. the only tracks on confield that dont appear to be in 4/4 are vi scose poise, cfern and bine.. i can tap a constant beat to all the other songs.. except when lentic catachresis goes all fast near the end.. and draft is almost all made of 4/4 beats.. just some of them twist sometimes.. like in iv vv iv vv viii how it timestretches and in xylin room where the beat pauses every now and then.. not sure about tapr yet.. i'm sure it has a time signature of some sort.. just havent listened closely enough yet.. and it took me such a long time to figure out that cichli is in 5/4.. it just seems to flow so naturally.. |
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OK, I can't even pin a beat on fold 4 wrap 5, but it still sounds musical in all respects. It seems like maybe the time signiture slows down or changed halfway through each measure, but then its comes back in at what it was before. It's crazy. They are genii |
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well, I don't know but fold 4 wrap 5 is in 4/4 time as well! |
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One thing is in "IV VV IV VV VIII" there seems like 2 different rhythms where there are 2 snares right close to each other... One could be sixteenth notes, but I'm not sure what the other one is. I haven't really looked into it, but it's darn cool. |
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