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offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 10:41 [#00638945]
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these 2 are top of the idm (at least in xltronic
competition hehe)...i thought about comparing this two last
night when there was some talk of autechre (and i really
cant see/hear why so many people are excited about their
music)

so this is what i think about it...autechre are doing music
unintentionaly imo-i mean they put the melody and some beats
together-and it doesnt exactly fit together, i mean they
could exchange plenty of beats and melodies between songs
and it would still sound pretty much the same...while aphex
creates music, he composes it,... beats go great with melody
and there could hardly be a track of his where you could
exchange beats and melody-it would spoil the track for
sure...
im surprised of how many people think autechre are better
than aphex, especially because there's many of you that make
your own music, so it gives you an idea of how it looks like
to do a piece like autechre or a piece like aphex...i mean,
i often get this feeling when listening to autechre that
they just experiment until they get some cool, weird
sounding melody or beat, that doesnt change much later or
they just add a new weird sound-i dont mind repetitive
music, actually i like many artists that do music like that,
but their music is very pleasant, it gives me this great
feeling which i just cant get with autechre's music...
im sure most of you disagree with me, but i came to
conclusion that aphex and autechre cant really be compared
when it comes to making music...


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-04-08 10:45 [#00638949]
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autechre are sooo overrated (imho)...

i wouldn't like this tread to become a autechre vs afx fans
bash fest.. but what you perfectly well describe my ideas
'bout this


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-04-08 10:46 [#00638951]
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You should really try some of ae's early work. How can you
say it's just some randomly put together melody and rhythm
after hearing that?


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-04-08 10:47 [#00638953]
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recommand me some and ill download it

but i must warn you, ive tried to get into autechre before
and it never worked for me...


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-04-08 10:47 [#00638954]
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that is not my opinion


 

offline martinhm from York (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 10:49 [#00638956]
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"i came to conclusion that aphex and autechre cant really
be compared when it comes to making music...
"

you got that right at least. let's just leave it there. I
like both afx and ae, but for very different reasons.


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-04-08 10:49 [#00638959]
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i will definately buy all aphex twin stuff, but now in the
time of crunching $$ im yet to get the new autechre and
plaid mixes

im listening to samples of the new autechre @
http://www.smallfish.co.uk/html/homepage.asp

_virtual_

im gonna get it and the plaid real dam soon !!



 

offline Verkrampte from Renton (United States) on 2003-04-08 10:49 [#00638960]
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woo 800 posts for me


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 10:50 [#00638962]
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i just want people to post their opinion on this (donr want
to start any bash)

yeah, their early work is a bit better, but honestly, there
are many artists that make the same music and are much
better as autechre were in the begining

no doubt autechre deserve to be up there-they are doing
music for a long time. lots of people love them, but when it
comes to composing music they're very overrated IMO


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-04-08 10:51 [#00638964]
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OK, I'll recommend you some tracks (early ae):

444
Kalpol Introl
Eggshell
Montreal
Eutow
Vletrmx21
Second Peng

There's so much more actually, in fact, you should try Amber
and Incunabula in its entirety.



 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 10:52 [#00638966]
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pretty much how i feel about autechre too
but i'm sure we will get shouted down.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 10:53 [#00638968]
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i have both amber and incunabula-there are some nice songs
on those two that i can listen to, but there's much other
music that i like much more...


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 10:54 [#00638969]
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some tracks of autechre are really awesome! Piezo, 444,
Cichli, CapIV, Clipper, Leterel, and especially Vltrmx21 are
masterpieces imo. Many other tracks (i.e. ep7) aren't so
great imo.



 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 10:54 [#00638970]
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i find "444" and "piezo" absolute masterpieces.


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-04-08 10:55 [#00638971]
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http://autechre.nu

lots o samples there


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-04-08 10:55 [#00638972]
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I find that you are absolutely right.


 

offline AE_King from Australia on 2003-04-08 10:56 [#00638973]
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omfg release teh hounds on tolstoyed!!11 autechre own j00!!



 

offline Duble0Syx from Columbus, OH (United States) on 2003-04-08 10:56 [#00638975]
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The only Autechre I like is Incunabula, Tri Repetae, and the
two EP's that were with the US release.


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-04-08 10:57 [#00638976]
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the 2 peel sessions ?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 10:57 [#00638977]
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i think my favourite autechre is confield, but i can listen
to that only when im in a certain mood :)


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 10:58 [#00638980]
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The melody who grow in CapIV is amazing. I like the fact who
often you've to dig inside mechanical repetitive harsh
sounds for discover wonderful melodies.



 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-04-08 10:59 [#00638982]
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To all the non-ae fanatics:

I do admit that ae's music can be quite hard to get into and
this goes especially for their latest work (confield, gantz
graf, ep7), but as cliché as this might sound: Give it some
time and you'll be rewarded with some of the best music
you'll ever hear. I didn't think much of autechre either in
the beginning, but now I would say it comes dangerously
close to afx.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-04-08 11:01 [#00638986]
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im gonna download incunabula now.. at least the name sounds
cool

lets see if i dig this album... maybe itll grow on me and
ill be able to like em


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:02 [#00638988]
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i know autechre for a long time-i was listening to their
music even before i was into aphex, but i just cant get
their music-it sounds soooo cold-aphex tho, makes my head
spinn and i get this very pleasant feeling listening to his
stuff


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 11:04 [#00638993]
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Aphex Twin is my fav, but his music is simpler to understand
compared to Ae.
Firts time who I listened Gantz Graf, I thought:"what is
this shit?!?" After 3 or 4 listens I discovered who CapIV is
an amazing complex track (with a superlative melody) and
gantz graf track was a powerfull load of electronic energy.



 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-04-08 11:04 [#00638994]
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the rhytms and melodies Ae use are weird (maybe not the
correct term, sorry for that).

they do combine different parts, sort of paste the bars onto
each other. Sometimes their beats and patterns just fasten
up and so on.

It might nog be easy to get into, and loads of people will
never get in to it.

Can't say anything more besides that I like them.



 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 11:07 [#00639002]
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i agree, Ae music is totally cold while AFX music is more
emotional.
AFX has more fantasy, imo anyway they've totally differents
style an it's why i love both.

There are too different style imo:

AFX electronic and Ae electronic. Many artists are copying
from one or from the other.




 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-04-08 11:11 [#00639013]
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Autechre is indeed very cold, but coldness has its own charm
imo.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:12 [#00639017]
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"is simpler to understand"

i get into majority of musicians quite easily, and i get to
hear quite many, so what you're saying i cant relate with,
especially because i been listening to autechre for quite
some time now...


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 11:14 [#00639026]
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i didn't say who you don't understand complex music, i only
said who afx music is simpler, but it's only a my opinion ;)


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 11:15 [#00639028]
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i forgot to mention "Draun Quarter" from Envane... it's
wonderful!!! And the live version is wonderful too!


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:16 [#00639029]
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hehe, i dint think you thought that, but i cant agree with
that view :)


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-04-08 11:16 [#00639030]
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hahaha that post didnt make much sense, sorry

there's a difference between being random and being
difficult to understand... and æ is a bit too random for me


 

offline Laqeuro from New York City (United States) on 2003-04-08 11:17 [#00639031]
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i don't think autechre is over rated at all........but i do
think they come second to aphex


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:17 [#00639032]
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do any of you find arovane similar to autechre?


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-04-08 11:18 [#00639034]
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*cough* do you find zeus to be similar to autechre *cough*


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:20 [#00639039]
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some tunes, yes, but there's nothing wrong with that... :)


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2003-04-08 11:24 [#00639049]
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tolstoyed, don't you like vltrmx21, 444, piezo and draun
quarter?


 

offline Laqeuro from New York City (United States) on 2003-04-08 11:28 [#00639057]
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digging up the past are we?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:29 [#00639061]
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i dont know tracks by names, im sorry, but i'll check
those!
only one of those im certain i like is 444
and i like about half of tunes from confield as well...
but i find autechre musically overrated, they are making
nice music, but they cant be compared to aphex when it comes
to creating music, is all im saying :)


 

offline Duble0Syx from Columbus, OH (United States) on 2003-04-08 11:33 [#00639069]
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In reply to my previous post...
Tri Repetae and the two ep's that were with the US release =
Anvil Vapre & Garbage.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2003-04-08 11:36 [#00639071]
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random my arse!
AE is v emotional too i reckon....oh! and by the way a
computer doesnt just decide by itself to do a tune...its
still just a tool....you want it to do random stuff,you
still gonna have to explain to the machine how to do
it(program it)....
i love both their music.....but i prefer ae


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2003-04-08 11:50 [#00639085]
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I want someone with all the albums from both artists to
choose. I only have Tri Repetae++ by Autechre, and I have a
strictly love/hate relationship with it.

Whereas I have 5 albums by Aphex and I think they're all
great... obviously I'm going to pick Aphex.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 11:56 [#00639090]
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i dont have all albums by autechre
i have like 5-7 hehe, but not one stands out-as bad as this
seems, but i get bored very quickly with their music :)


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2003-04-08 12:02 [#00639095]
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i agree with tolstoyed, but im sure that ae has something
still to discover for me...

i love lp5
i hate amber
i dont understand confield

i think draft 7.30 will be definitive in my opinion about
ae...


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 12:05 [#00639098]
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draft is pretty similar to confield imo

btw, if i remember you were mentioning Balago once-a group
from barcelona...great music!!!


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 12:31 [#00639132]
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autwchre vs aphex - wait i thought they were music makers
not prize fighters


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-04-08 15:07 [#00639350]
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you always read titles only?


 


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