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Coil, Coil, and MORE COIL!!!
 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-04-07 22:27 [#00637797]
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i finally RECEIVED my 2nd Coil disc, i've ordered 3 over 3
months ago.......so slowly but shirley i'm getting them!!!!

anyhoo......Musick to Play in the Dark 2 is simply another
masterpiece of nightime moody moosiq......

sooooo impressive, i'm very disappointed that Coil Cd's are
not more available since they are SO AWESOME!

*looks around and wonders*


 

offline jenf from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-07 22:52 [#00637857]
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i enjoyed love's secrete domain.

and while we're on the topic, i hope someone tells them to
tour in toronto!


 

offline jenf from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-07 22:52 [#00637860]
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oops, secret, not secrete


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-07 22:53 [#00637861]
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I told you! I told everyone!! Give ME credit!!!
That cd is celestial! It's a sacred pearl not meant for
mortal consumption! Send it back! Throw it into the ocean!
BURN IT!! Aiiiiiieeee!!!!!



 

offline Laqeuro from New York City (United States) on 2003-04-07 22:53 [#00637862]
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coil's allright



 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-07 23:14 [#00637902]
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"Pay your respects to the vultures for they are your future"


 

offline Ceri JC from I'm too old for this shit (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 00:10 [#00637943]
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Saw him at ATP, watched for 5 mins then left as he just
seemed to be doing a poor stand up comedy routine over the
top of minimal electronic noises. :/


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:19 [#00637955]
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Who? What did he say?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:19 [#00637956]
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"him"? something tells me coil wasn't quite right for you
anyway...


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:30 [#00637970]
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eh that came off meaner than i intended. coil are
fundamentally a duo, with a revolving cast of collaborators.
john balance (aka jhon balance... *cough*) often does spoken
word and singing during their tracks, it's not to everyone's
liking but a lot of us enjoy it. as you might've guessed
after seeing them 5 minutes john has a bit of a drinking
problem. still.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:46 [#00637983]
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im sorry to say this, knowing some of you like coil and all,
but they DEFINITELY hit their zenith like over ten years
ago... i bought mtpitd 1 AND 2 (didnt learn my lesson after
the first one) and i sold them in a week or so. the
equinox/solstice collection ALSO let me down big time...
their outpuit in general has always been a 50/50 affair. i
think their highlights are:

* black light district (wasnt this supposed to be part one
of a series? so much for "jhon"s big concepts)
* worship the glitch (even though, it sounds a bit dated by
now, halliwell hammers is still good)
*20' to 2000 (the best 20 minutes they have written in about
8 years)
*love's secret domain (not all of it. just the denser stuff
i can get my teeth into. stuff like the snow just detracts
from the overall flow, for me)


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:49 [#00637988]
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your opinion is about as authoratative as someone saying afx
hit his stride w/ the rdj album, nin w/ the downward spiral,
autechre w/ lp5, etc.. people like different stuff, and some
of us coil fans like all of their many types of music.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:51 [#00637991]
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well, actually now that you mention it.... nin DID hit their
stride with downward spiral... fragile was trite. he coulda
condensed that whole thing down to an ep.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:52 [#00637992]
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but hey, what do I KNOW?????? you're the authority here,
right?


 

offline Charles D Ward from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-08 00:53 [#00637996]
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hey what's the name of the little blue guy in your avatar...
i forgot


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:15 [#00638038]
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no i believe my point is that people have a right to like
whatever they want and that just cos one person says they
passed their prime doesn't make it so. correct me if i'm
wrong but unlike you i've never said anything was better or
worse or that any artist has lost it.

CDW: it's supposed to be the snood character but it bears a
striking resemblance to grover from seasame street.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:20 [#00638045]
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well, as someone who has to make up his own mind, i decide
for myself what is good or not. my point was to let someone
like ceri, who has maybe only heard the vocal stuff know
that they have stuff that (TO ME) is tons better. sorry for
having an opinion... wish you didnt have to take it so
personal.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:23 [#00638056]
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i just find it so obnoxious when people piss all over music
others enjoy A LOT. there are a lot better ways of
critiquing something than to make obviously subjective
blanket statements that serve no real purpose except for
putting down others for enjoying what you term to be an
inferior piece of art.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:25 [#00638061]
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so i'm not allowed to have an opinion? or is it because it's
not the same as yours? how would YOU have liked me to word
it? what would have made YOU feel ok about me not liking
them... plus, like i said before, i ws trying to guide
someone who may not like the newer stuff towards something
they MIGHT like.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:28 [#00638067]
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tact and respect are a stepping stone


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:30 [#00638070]
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sorry i'm not pc enough. i don't go out of my way to offend,
but i'm not gonna baby somone who is gonna take personal
offense to my tastes, either.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:31 [#00638073]
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i could've been nastier, if i was a nasty person.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:33 [#00638080]
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my point is you don't have to put something down to praise
the qualities of something else... this is a problem i have
with a lot of the users on this board (especially all the
old Album A vs. Album B and Artist C vs. Artist D threads).
call it babying if you want but constantly saying something
is crap really has negative effects on people. it's not a
context an album needs.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:36 [#00638090]
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sorry. in MY OPINION, the new stuff IS garbage. it just IS.
the lyrics are trite, bad pagan references mixed with drug
babble. sorry, that's how i feel. it's a veri immature way
of going about things. it's very highschool kinda "shrooms
rule!" written on the back of a notebook kinda poetry.
sorry. the music itself is ok... but balance has GOT to
learn to shut his trap for 5 seconds.

they lost their mystery.


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2003-04-08 01:42 [#00638098]
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in the blue corner we have ... in the red corner we have
...



 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 01:43 [#00638099]
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yeah... im sick of this conversation. what is it with people
getting so personal about crap on here lately? i hate
fighting, and it seems like that all anyone wants to do.
everyone wants to be right.


 

offline Ceri JC from I'm too old for this shit (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 02:08 [#00638121]
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"bad pagan references mixed with drug
babble."

Yes, that's why I walked out. He was just talking about
drugs and not being funny about it. It seemed to be along
similair lines as comedians who swear constantly, (some)
people find it funny because of the subject matter,
regardless of the fact no actual "jokes" are made.

I'm not writing Coil off as rubbish, perhaps I happened to
walk in during their absolute worst track. It doesn't make
me want to go out of my way to hear any of their other stuff
though.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 02:10 [#00638122]
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well, that why i recommmended the stuff i did... it's mostly
instrumental and quite good. blacklight is VERY minimal and
droney... hardly any voice on it at all, and where there is,
it is good. glitch is also very spacey and meditative.


 

offline Ceri JC from I'm too old for this shit (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 02:23 [#00638134]
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Cheers, I'll check those releases out.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 02:49 [#00638158]
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oh, i almost forgot... you should check out their nin
remixes if you haven't heard em before, especially closer
(the one at the beginning of seven) and the one eraser one
they did (they heavy guitar one, reminds me of an old song
of theirs from horse rotorvator).


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-04-08 02:59 [#00638166]
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Their first few albums are among my favorite music ever made
by human beings, but I'm not a big fan of ambient music so
the later stuff doesn't appeal to me as much.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 03:08 [#00638179]
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yeah, like i said...

scatology, for instance... VASTLY superior to their material
post-lsd.


 

offline blipseed from Virgin Islands (US) on 2003-04-08 04:01 [#00638241]
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Ceri JC - You obviously didn't give Coil much of a chance.
Balance spoke about drugs for about one minute, conversing
with the audience between tracks. He said he wasn't drunk,
somebody shouted "liar", he then said he wasn't lying, but
he did have horse tranquilisers for later on, and a horse in
his chalet to give them to. I'd hardly call that going on
and on about drugs and pagan babble.

For the record, Coil were one of the highlights of the
weekend for an awful lot of people.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 04:04 [#00638242]
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so then what WAS he going on about?
nonsense, no doubt. extraterrestrial hooplah and more
"magick" herb and root stuff.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 04:05 [#00638245]
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and eros and ether, sounds lime my man needs to go back to
ancient rome and have an orgy or something.


 

offline Ceri JC from I'm too old for this shit (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 04:05 [#00638246]
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He he, shame I caught that whole minute after about 4
minutes of mediocre minimal music and left. Don't get so het
up, it's just my opinion, I'm sure a lot of people didn't
enjoy Sonic Sum or Public Enemy as much as me...


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 04:05 [#00638247]
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lime, hahahahahahaha.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-08 10:04 [#00638892]
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tibbar = hater and self-pitier


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-08 13:08 [#00639182]
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And why would you have ever been listening to Coil in the
first place? Aren't they diametrically opposed to just
about everything you believe in? Blatant Crowley
references, Austin Osman Spare praxis, alchemy, Jon Dee
monads, blood letting, homosexuality, Pan worship,
animalism, paganism, telepathy, ect. the list goes on for
quite a while.


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-04-08 15:00 [#00639336]
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coil is incredible...I really would like to obtain all of
their releases (really pricey though).


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 18:01 [#00639620]
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titsworth: if you dont like me, just dont talk to me.

cabbog: ah, but at one time... i was not who i am now. i can
still appreciate the artistry of some things they've done...
in a detatched way.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 18:22 [#00639649]
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can someone briefly outline coil please?

i've only heard one track: Coil - The Snow - Answers Come In
Dreams

and i really liked it.
but i'm concerned about references to drugs and "scatology"
and various other things that i've never heard of


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-08 18:24 [#00639650]
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cabbog, wtf is:
Austin Osman Spare praxis
Jon Dee monads
Pan worship (saucepans???)
animalism (sounds very unsavory)


 

offline Spookyluke from United States on 2003-04-08 20:26 [#00639761]
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Here's the gist of Coil.
Their most notable early release, How to Destroy Angels, is
a collection of "dark ambient" works. It's awesome.
Then there was Scatology, industrial stuff featuring Marc
Almond from Soft Cell. Some of the tracks are definitely
prototype industrial sounding.
after that, you've got Horse Rotorvator, which is a greater
experiment in sounds and blending styles. It sounds like
industrial beatles in their worst moods.
Then, there's Love's Secret Domain. A beat oriented
collection. Not really my thing because it's just not as
exciting. They then did some remix records of HR and LSD.
After this, they made some records that don't get much
attention...
they go back to the more experimental side of things. And
then Music to Play in the Dark--which is phenomenal in its
creepiness and somber tone.
Recently, they've been back into sound and ambient bits.
And playing live a hell of a lot more than ever.


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-04-08 22:29 [#00639888]
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ehhehe Cabbog you did NOT introduce me to Coil......so
*sticks tongue out* poo on YOU! you have however introduced
me to Love, Ingown Ring, etc. etc. etc... 'as the king and i
said'

ceri......dunno about Coil /aka John Balance now but the two
CD's i have are kicking, liked them on the first listen.
some people DO SUCK LIVE tho, so perhaps you just didn't see
him at his best?

tibbar...i don't keep up with people drug habits, as it
doesn't affect me, i can and often does influence music
artists for the worse (some say for the better) but either
way i know what i like, and i'm enjoying the music on that
level.

on a side note, something i've noticed since you've wandered
onto the MB, and take it or leave it......you are WAY WAY
over sensative to criticism from people who in no way REALLY
affect your life, only as much as you let them. you seem to
have a 'cry baby' attitude thats unusual for a guy your age.
read what you write, it's defensive and overly
dramatic......leave the drama at the door it makes the MB a
more interesting place IMO.

machine.....check out strangefortune.com for good prices,
i'd EMAIL the dood before ordering cos my stuff WHICH HE
CHARGED ME FOR, has been on backorder for 3 months.....=/

my 2 cents as per usual!


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 22:36 [#00639893]
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i dont care what srugs an artist does. its none of my
business... its just annoying when they are constantly
talking about it.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 22:36 [#00639894]
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srugs = drugs


 

offline mimi on 2003-04-08 22:51 [#00639910]
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the softcell cover was cool anyhow....


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-08 22:52 [#00639912]
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oh yeah... put a whole different perspective on that song.
like i said, i dont think they've never done anything of
merit... i didn't say all that. but some people over-reacted
and made me sound like i was trashing them. i just said, in
my opinion, they have lost their edge. they "fell off".


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-08 22:57 [#00639917]
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Yes, both the great titsworth and myself have mentioned
Strange Fortune numerous times but apparently to no avail.

Peons.
By the way, I love your avatar. Keep it forever.


 


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